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and is now in the possession of the are

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differences worldwide would vanish if we

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were facing an alien threat from outside

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church on the game-changer Radio Network

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into the new year 126 days left we are

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live from a bunker somewhere in downtown

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welcome everybody listening all around

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is there a tenth or two and throw back

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cracking everybody how you doing it is

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a reason to love Monday oh that was

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kind of dig that actually had always

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kind of bothered me happy Monday man

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happy Tuesday dude dude happy Wednesday

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it just always got under my skin so

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we're not saying that exactly

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alright it is Monday and the great thing

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about Monday's around here as we get to

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look at the week ahead the week ahead is

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absolutely amazing what we've got going

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on here tonight

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two very special guests with us J

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Widener and J Dyer I don't know why it

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is taking so long to have J die or on

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the show but tonight it'll be the two

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J's J and J and we're gonna talk about

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their new show it's called Hollywood

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decoded and you can check it out over on

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gaya and the the first episode which

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we're going to talk about tonight

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amongst other things

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but the first episode of Hollywood

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Dakota deals with the Matrix trilogy and

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it's it's really really really well done

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it's the right show at the right time

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with the right two guys and so you can

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check it out over a guy but we're gonna

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we're gonna do a review of their new

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show you know kind of spin it around

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just a little bit but that's that's

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tonight and what's great about that for

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me is I live in Hollywood and not only

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do I live in Hollywood but I live in how

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I live in Burbank right Rita and I and

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the total hub of the media world is

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right here you can throw in New York you

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know and it trust me on this Hollywood

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everything that goes on here at all the

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employment every that we're talking

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about millions and millions and millions

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of people it all centers around the film

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and television and radio industries all

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of it all of it the the you drive down

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the road and any road in Burbank and and

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I seriously mean this you drive through

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streets with houses everybody on that

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up that Street works in the media

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industry whether they're set dressers

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houses and bar none right and then drive

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down an industrial street sound stages

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to the left sound stages to the right

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prop rental warehouses star wagons

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dressing rooms rental car fleets

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buildings with nothing but police cars

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for rent for four movies i mean it's

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everywhere you go and so with that comes

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my fascination with this i when it comes

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to Hollywood and the the rumors the

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urban legend that happens on the streets

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here that we live it happens all around

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the world they all talk about a bit here

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it's a way of life now what is the truth

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behind some of the hidden messages and

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symbology that goes on in film and

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television radio right is it real is it

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intentional what is really going on and

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then you can throw in some of the

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time-machine

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elements of it where the future was not

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only predicted but was spot on the money

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want to think about this we have a lot

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of Nibiru Planet X future the world's

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gonna end

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you know things prophecies that that

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happen all the time

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2012 Mayan right all the time but there

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are some things that have happened in

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film and television that predated some

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pretty crazy things that came to pass

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how is it possible that these messages

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could be there

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and I'm I'm not talking about

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second-guessing I'm referring to spoken

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word pictures in the background things

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on the side of sides of cars or

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buildings or billboards there's that and

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then there's driver's licenses and

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passports and with things on them that

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that predicted the future now how is it

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possible sure there's the obvious things

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when it comes to back to the future

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again though if you think about it funny

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at the time

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right okay it's to be okay all right

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it's funny too to contemplate but when

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this stuff comes to pass

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that's pretty trippy there are things in

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the matrix that came to pass there are a

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couple of things in the matrix that

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weren't mentioned in J and J's new TV

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series I'm gonna hit them with those

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ideas tonight too as well so get ready I

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am so fired up about this and then

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tomorrow night on the show clifford

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mahooty is gonna be here zuny that's

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right tribal historian he's the guy so

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we're gonna talk about all of the sacred

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sites around the country et contact and

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all of the other stuff that goes along

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with the Native American history here in

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the United States and how far it goes

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back because and I have been with

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Clifford there are some sites around the

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United States where you can go and

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experience not only orbs and what

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appeared to be spirits flying around but

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you have the whole metaphysical

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experience too as well right and some of

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it medicinals some of it not so we're

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gonna talk about that tomorrow night

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with clifford very excited so another

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first-time guest Jay died tonight Claire

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for tomorrow and then are you ready

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Wednesday night ray Davis is gonna be

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here and we're gonna do a full night of

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the Anna anunnaki now ray author write

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author historian

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very very bright guy fun to read to as

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this week wait to see what we've got

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your life and then drink this

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back-to-back and you'll find out really

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quick what real coffee is it's that good

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it is really that good don't don't take

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my word for it it's the best coffee in

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River moon coffee calm the banners are

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change tea I do want to remind everybody

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all right let's get this show crackin

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happy birthday to today Jack Black is 48

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the Pick of Destiny today's 48 years old

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David soul today is 74 the hutch in

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74 years old incredible Luis Guzman one

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of the funniest guys out there great

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actor serious actor too when he wants to

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put on the serious side he can do that

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but just a funny guy so talented Luis

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Guzman today is 61 and then one of my

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favorites Jennifer Coolidge today is 56

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now before you jump and go okay art no

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no Jennifer Coolidge best-in-show and a

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mighty win two of the great performances

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in Hollywood history hands down and who

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can forget her quote in a mighty when

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you remember

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without the model trains there will be

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no big trains all right all right

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Jennifer Coolidge today is fifty-six one

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of the funniest one of the best happy

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birthday

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Jennifer on this day in history OTD 1996

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charles and diana divorce and a year

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later almost to the day on August 31st

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1997 Diana was killed with Dodi Fayed in

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a car accident in Paris yeah

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strange huh 1996 fader fact this is a

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fader fact now you can check this out

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are you ready fader fact in 1992 a group

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of French Jews you removing graffiti

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from a cave accidentally erased a

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painting of a bison that was 15 thousand

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years old and that is a fader fact all

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right tonight very special guests with

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us Jay Widener and Jay Dyer we're gonna

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talk about their news show Hollywood

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decoded and the first episode which

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aired last week is the Matrix trilogy so

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we're gonna talk about that tonight and

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some other films as well tomorrow night

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clifford mahooty is here wednesday night

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ray Davis we're gonna do a full night of

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anunnaki and then Thursday night is

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another failure night which on Rapoport

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and his no more fake newsroom live all

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right well the rain and the flooding

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continued in Texas and is now heading

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north northeast towards Louisiana and

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nollans and the the latest reports are

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that the storm is going to strengthen

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again overnight and quite possibly

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because of this high pressure system

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that's above Houston it's gonna keep the

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storm right there and Houston is gonna

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get another night of rain

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more two more feet of rain the storm is

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not moving it's moving a little bit but

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it's moved back out over the Gulf where

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it's getting more water strengthening

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and it's just gonna stay there and

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continue to pummel two more feet of rain

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is expected in the Houston area a total

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of more than 50 inches over 50 inches

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almost five feet think about that at

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once not over a year I went and checked

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the average rainfall in Los Angeles in a

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year is between 30 and 40 inches for the

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year now I know we're in a desert but

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think about that they got all of it in

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just a couple of days Harvey made

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landfall Friday night during the start

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of coast-to-coast and I had reported on

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it then and I'm watching the eye of the

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storm just crossed and Galveston and and

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Corpus Christi and and you know and

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you're looking on the map and Houston is

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a long ways away so you don't really see

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Houston in the play here and so Houston

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wasn't even not only not evacuated but I

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think that a lot of people that were

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escaping out of Corpus Christi and were

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evacuating we're going to Houston and

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and I understand that but it just it

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just created this tragedy and I don't I

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don't know how I feel I know that the

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rest of the country right now is

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watching not only the great state of

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Texas but a city like Houston and and

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all of the surrounding cities right

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there you think about how hard these

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cities were hit but the the community is

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coming together and just anybody with a

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boat anybody that that can lend a hand

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is doing just that and I feel great

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about that it's tragic as this even it

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could have been a lot worse okay I mean

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it could have been a bad bad situation

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it's not a good situation

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but it could have been really really

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really bad and the fact that two more

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feet of rain are expected in the way

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that this perfect storm is is just

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centered right there Harvey it can't go

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anywhere and it's doubling up on its

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water and just dumping it right back

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down in the city is it's heartbreaking

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to just sit and watch this there's not a

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whole lot anybody can do no it's not

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heading towards New Orleans not gonna

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hit there and that's according to Eric

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da de la Louisiana well I'm assuming

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from his not only his name but his

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picture there in Twitter he's a he's

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right there keep us updated i I just

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there's no way it's gonna go away

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anytime soon you know and and watching

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it over the weekend I there's just no

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good news here the good news is people

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are getting rescued and there isn't this

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crazy loss of life and I wolf that's

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where I thought that this was gonna go

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really quickly and and I'm just just

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thankful that it didn't yeah I get it

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houses and and yes and rebuilding and

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half of the houses and businesses that

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have been affected and destroyed aren't

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they even covered with insurance and

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okay you know what yes I get all of that

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but it's about your family first it is

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it is it is so our thoughts are with

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everybody there we've got a lot of

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friends in Houston a lot a lot of

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friends in Texas and we get that and I

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understand it we've heard from a lot of

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you if tonight you're safe you're dry

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and and you're cool and you're listening

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to my voice

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great our thoughts are with you if you

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can take the time to tweet in to us and

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let us know that you are okay we would

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love to see it okay also as we move on

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and I know tomorrow night we're gonna

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have another update

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and and hopefully it's just gonna get

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better but also this weekend I've got a

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little Mount Adams update Mark Walsh

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rattles in Holly cook and Holly and

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marks son they they started well they

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hiked up Holly Holly didn't continue

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with mark and Brad up Mount Adams to go

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look at the door up there that they are

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dubbing Jimi's door at the top of Mount

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Adams thank you for that but so mark and

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Brad got around about a mile away okay

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they hiked and they took everything that

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they needed they took crampons ice picks

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they were ready for four glacial travel

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went as far as they could before they

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had to turn around so before I make any

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crazy announcements or anything like

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that I just got off the phone with Brad

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Olson about a half hour ago before

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showtime and we've got video we've got

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high-res images with what is going on in

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front of the door

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so we will put all of that together it I

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was sent some images from Mount Adams on

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Friday I think from james gilliland

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on friday and what appears to be a

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rockslide

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that has closed up the front of the door

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the top of it is still visible but a

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serious rockslide now these images were

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taken with the telescope high-res

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up-close it's very interesting so I'm

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going to combine this information with

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what Mark and Brad were able to do by

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getting about a mile away so I will have

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all of that tomorrow

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well I'm gonna gather ever everything

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and I'm gonna put together another video

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and then hopefully by tomorrow night

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we'll be able to present that but I'm

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very excited about this because what I

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want to make sure is what we are seeing

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is what we are seeing that's all that

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I'm concern

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about if there's a rockslide it gets

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covered up it's opened up you know okay

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oh great great but I just want to make

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sure that we're not seeing a shadow

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which is what everybody is claiming not

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everybody but I would say we got I don't

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know how many views we have on YouTube

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with the original video four hundred

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thousand four fifty something like that

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somebody tell me how many views we have

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I'm not too sure but out of that out of

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the thousands and thousands of comments

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I would say that the overwhelming amount

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of comments were flying up there or it's

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just a shadow flying drone it's just a

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shadow flying drones just a shadow

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so can't fly a drone up there but we put

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some bodies up there so now I want to

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make sure that it's not a shadow I want

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to make sure that that is an opening

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whether it's been covered up with a rock

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slide or not that's again that's all

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part of the news but if there's an

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opening on the top of Mount Adams that

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is either a lava tube man-made

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alien-made natural cave anything but a

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shadow that is some huge huge news so

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with all of that very excited about the

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week that we have here over the weekend

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over at coast we had a we had Richard

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Dolan on on Friday with open lines great

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great night with Richard dealing with

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false flags and then Saturday night we

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had a Jay Widener on of course with the

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Nazca mummy update which was which was

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amazing but mal fàbregas also Saturday

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night on coasts and it was just a great

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weekend marred with tragedy

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with Houston so I couldn't wait to get

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to today I just wanted to get to Monday

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start a brand new week so all of us just

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could hang out together and get a

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discovery of knowledge on all right

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because that's what we are all about

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here now you can follow me on twitter @

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JT radio simple at j church radio email

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is Jimmy and Jimmy church radio calm we

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have all of the chat rooms we have chat

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rooms over AKG RA can chat there

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you can chat over in Spreaker you can

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everything is interactive everything is

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real-time

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this is fade to black alright so in a

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short second right after this break

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it'll be J Widener and J Dyer discussing

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their new TV show Hollywood decoded it's

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gonna be one of those nights

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I'm your host Jimmy Church on the game

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changer Network and k GRA the planets

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called Hollywood Dakota where in each

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episode they break down some of the most

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iconic films and their directors looking

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for hidden meaning symbolism and

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messages messages possibly even for the

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future Widener is the senior developer

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of content for Gaia and is widely known

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for his documentaries and analysis of

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Stanley Kubrick and Jay dyers website

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Jay's analysis has grown to become one

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of the premier film and philosophy sites

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on the net focusing on the interplay of

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film geopolitics espionage and

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psychological warfare Dyer is a public

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speaker lecturer comedian and author of

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esoteric Hollywood sex cult and symbols

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in film you can check out that book over

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on his site also the links are at Jimmy

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Church radio.com Jays analysis calm and

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of course Gaia calm and I would like to

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welcome for the first time to fade to

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black J Dyer and of course mr. J Widener

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so now before you guys say good evening

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00:32:55,489 --> 00:32:53,460
we got to figure this out I can't say J

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or J because you're both going to answer

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00:32:58,810 --> 00:32:57,659
me at the same time do I go with JD and

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JW

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hey dub j-dub JD and j-dub good evening

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guys how RHA JD how come it's taking you

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00:33:14,930 --> 00:33:12,029
so long to be a guest on fade to black

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00:33:21,049 --> 00:33:14,940
are you that busy wittle D and twiddle

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00:33:22,879 --> 00:33:21,059
dum I am that busy finally to finally

643
00:33:25,339 --> 00:33:22,889
get on here I wasn't calling Jade um by

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the way I was calling myself dumb J is

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actually an encyclopedia of film

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00:33:31,850 --> 00:33:29,759
knowledge and I didn't I didn't know

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that going into all this

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when we sat down in those director's

649
00:33:42,380 --> 00:33:35,899
chairs and we got to going and just went

650
00:33:44,060 --> 00:33:42,390
90 miles non-stop I remember JD j-dub

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00:33:46,310 --> 00:33:44,070
said to me one time we were talking and

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00:33:47,930 --> 00:33:46,320
we started to you know have a little

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00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:47,940
heated personal discussion about

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Hollywood and he shoots me those widen

655
00:33:56,389 --> 00:33:53,220
her eyes and goes dude I know Hollywood

656
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I direct films I know what I'm talking

657
00:34:00,350 --> 00:33:57,750
about I was like man okay I'll shut up

658
00:34:03,860 --> 00:34:00,360
man it's cool it's cool J he's like a

659
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:03,870
short bearded Gandalf know he does know

660
00:34:09,379 --> 00:34:06,090
his stuff and he's always opened up my

661
00:34:12,460 --> 00:34:09,389
eyes now how did I'm gonna throw this

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00:34:15,710 --> 00:34:12,470
over to a j-dub how did this

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00:34:17,030 --> 00:34:15,720
relationship develop between the two of

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00:34:19,579 --> 00:34:17,040
you it should have happened a long time

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00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:19,589
ago but it appears to be the perfect

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00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:21,810
host host combination for a show like

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00:34:27,770 --> 00:34:25,050
this right now oh I agree

668
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:27,780
well what happened was is that I was

669
00:34:35,570 --> 00:34:32,490
doing my first really intricate series

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00:34:37,579 --> 00:34:35,580
for Gaea deep space which was an

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00:34:40,579 --> 00:34:37,589
examination of the secret space program

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00:34:44,990 --> 00:34:40,589
and he went out to a secret space

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00:34:51,129 --> 00:34:45,000
program conference in Bastrop Texas

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00:34:52,970 --> 00:34:51,139
right outside Austin in October 2015 and

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00:34:55,399 --> 00:34:52,980
one of the people there at the

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00:34:58,099 --> 00:34:55,409
conference was Jay and I wanted to get

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00:35:00,349 --> 00:34:58,109
his you know his view on movies and the

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00:35:02,780 --> 00:35:00,359
secret space program so we sat down

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started talking and and we hit it off

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and next thing I'm inviting him to come

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to guy in be on some of the shows and

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00:35:12,460 --> 00:35:10,680
then eventually this show developed from

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00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:12,470
that relationship

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JD you can either you can take one of

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00:35:20,690 --> 00:35:18,150
two positions here well both of you can

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00:35:23,020 --> 00:35:20,700
you look at Jay as being the old guy in

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the room and you show him the respect or

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00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:25,920
that you are the young bright guy and

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00:35:33,710 --> 00:35:30,530
you know it all now what how does that

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00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:33,720
it is the truth really because that's

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00:35:39,500 --> 00:35:37,650
what we have here we have actually two

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00:35:42,859 --> 00:35:39,510
different generations with two different

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mindsets looking at these films so JD

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you know

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how do you want to handle this

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00:35:51,010 --> 00:35:48,740
relationship you know I really think

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00:35:52,870 --> 00:35:51,020
it's a false either-or dialectic there

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00:35:55,930 --> 00:35:52,880
because Jay has a lot of knowledge of

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00:35:57,370 --> 00:35:55,940
you know classic cinema he brings in a

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00:35:58,960 --> 00:35:57,380
lot of stuff from other decades that I

701
00:36:01,900 --> 00:35:58,970
don't know about and my area of

702
00:36:04,210 --> 00:36:01,910
expertise really tends to be more in a

703
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:04,220
kind of philosophical vein so that was

704
00:36:07,630 --> 00:36:05,450
that's what I studied you know an

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00:36:09,370 --> 00:36:07,640
undergrad and grad school so I come with

706
00:36:11,290 --> 00:36:09,380
a kind of a literary reading to these

707
00:36:13,510 --> 00:36:11,300
things and I think that it really is

708
00:36:16,210 --> 00:36:13,520
just kind of the chemistry is perfect it

709
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:16,220
makes for like a Siskel and Ebert

710
00:36:20,890 --> 00:36:18,770
upgrade it's like Siskel and Ebert 2.0 I

711
00:36:23,230 --> 00:36:20,900
didn't want to yeah I didn't want to go

712
00:36:25,770 --> 00:36:23,240
there but there is there is a lot of

713
00:36:30,220 --> 00:36:25,780
that there and there's one other thing

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00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:30,230
I'll let each of you answer this you the

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00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:32,090
dialogue that you guys are having I

716
00:36:36,790 --> 00:36:33,610
caught you guys

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00:36:40,300 --> 00:36:36,800
forcing yourselves to think about the

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00:36:42,070 --> 00:36:40,310
other comment right you guys are making

719
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:42,080
each other you're playing off of each

720
00:36:48,580 --> 00:36:44,090
other and you're making each other think

721
00:36:51,130 --> 00:36:48,590
now is that is this improvised are you

722
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:51,140
guys just winging it and that is part of

723
00:36:55,900 --> 00:36:53,570
the beauty here but I love it do you

724
00:36:58,990 --> 00:36:55,910
guys are actually stopping each other in

725
00:37:02,650 --> 00:36:59,000
each other's tracks well I like to

726
00:37:05,830 --> 00:37:02,660
answer that because I have to say you

727
00:37:08,620 --> 00:37:05,840
know usually I'm not bragging here but

728
00:37:10,180 --> 00:37:08,630
I'm usually you know one of the smartest

729
00:37:16,150 --> 00:37:10,190
guys in the room when I walk into a room

730
00:37:18,790 --> 00:37:16,160
don't say that I say that JD he hasn't

731
00:37:21,490 --> 00:37:18,800
intimidated me but I'm very very

732
00:37:25,330 --> 00:37:21,500
impressed by the depth of his knowledge

733
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:25,340
of not just movies but the outside world

734
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:31,970
of philosophy and science and relativism

735
00:37:39,070 --> 00:37:35,690
and all these other things and and and

736
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:39,080
that is what I appreciate because yes I

737
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:41,570
do also bring a lot of knowledge about

738
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:44,810
cinema but I'm really more interested in

739
00:37:51,250 --> 00:37:48,170
philosophy and science and these kinds

740
00:37:53,590 --> 00:37:51,260
of things and pointing those towards the

741
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:53,600
reality that cinema has been creating

742
00:37:58,640 --> 00:37:56,690
for us hey JD I'm gonna I'm gonna throw

743
00:38:00,020 --> 00:37:58,650
a Widener into the

744
00:38:02,569 --> 00:38:00,030
you ready for this you're gonna love

745
00:38:05,180 --> 00:38:02,579
this and you can laugh this past weekend

746
00:38:07,670 --> 00:38:05,190
we were up doing a conference and we're

747
00:38:10,790 --> 00:38:07,680
backstage I'm introducing Jay in a few

748
00:38:12,140 --> 00:38:10,800
minutes and and Jay turns to me sitting

749
00:38:14,809 --> 00:38:12,150
out there he goes okay you can do what

750
00:38:17,839 --> 00:38:14,819
you want but do not call me the smartest

751
00:38:19,460 --> 00:38:17,849
guy in the room right and I turned him I

752
00:38:20,300 --> 00:38:19,470
said okay well it's the first thing out

753
00:38:24,410 --> 00:38:20,310
of my mouth

754
00:38:26,809 --> 00:38:24,420
so we go up on stage and Jay said and I

755
00:38:29,210 --> 00:38:26,819
said okay now here here is the smartest

756
00:38:31,790 --> 00:38:29,220
guy in the room and he shot me the

757
00:38:34,730 --> 00:38:31,800
whitener I you know it was not funny ha

758
00:38:37,700 --> 00:38:34,740
ha but you know what good times and and

759
00:38:41,359 --> 00:38:37,710
so here we are I wanted to hit you with

760
00:38:45,530 --> 00:38:41,369
this JD with the question that I asked

761
00:38:47,599 --> 00:38:45,540
Jay on was it saturday on coast Jay it's

762
00:38:51,109 --> 00:38:47,609
all running together yes Saturday night

763
00:38:56,870 --> 00:38:51,119
Saturday night on coast I asked Jay if

764
00:39:00,290 --> 00:38:56,880
he still watches film as a fan as a fan

765
00:39:02,180 --> 00:39:00,300
first where you just enjoy the film with

766
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:02,190
whatever it's gonna throw at you you

767
00:39:07,099 --> 00:39:04,770
still laugh and you just enjoy it or are

768
00:39:11,900 --> 00:39:07,109
you picking it apart from the word go

769
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:11,910
that is a good question I don't think I

770
00:39:16,930 --> 00:39:13,290
can't remember the last time that I

771
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:16,940
watched film and just purely a

772
00:39:21,950 --> 00:39:19,650
aesthetically pleasing sense it's almost

773
00:39:24,170 --> 00:39:21,960
always now kind of I've got those

774
00:39:26,450 --> 00:39:24,180
goggles on where I'm trying to decode it

775
00:39:30,050 --> 00:39:26,460
and I guess that's the downside of it is

776
00:39:31,849 --> 00:39:30,060
it's almost you know it's a daily job I

777
00:39:33,500 --> 00:39:31,859
did you know daily grind now to do this

778
00:39:35,210 --> 00:39:33,510
kind of stuff but at the same time it's

779
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:35,220
still enjoyable I mean it hasn't I

780
00:39:40,819 --> 00:39:38,010
haven't lost my interest in film it's

781
00:39:44,089 --> 00:39:40,829
just kind of taking on a new role a new

782
00:39:46,339 --> 00:39:44,099
relationship to where it's much like

783
00:39:48,410 --> 00:39:46,349
reading a good book and then trying to

784
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:48,420
kind of decode it and see what the

785
00:39:52,550 --> 00:39:50,970
author's you know real message was it's

786
00:39:54,230 --> 00:39:52,560
kind of you do the same thing with

787
00:39:56,690 --> 00:39:54,240
movies but the great thing about movies

788
00:39:58,819 --> 00:39:56,700
just like great literature is that you

789
00:40:00,589 --> 00:39:58,829
might learn or have a totally new

790
00:40:03,109 --> 00:40:00,599
perspective on a film that you've seen

791
00:40:05,510 --> 00:40:03,119
maybe 20 times you know you come back to

792
00:40:07,460 --> 00:40:05,520
it 10 years later you've learned a lot

793
00:40:09,470 --> 00:40:07,470
you've you've imbibed a lot of knowledge

794
00:40:11,300 --> 00:40:09,480
and you you have a fresh perspective on

795
00:40:14,510 --> 00:40:11,310
it and so that's that's kind of

796
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:14,520
how it it takes on a life of its own and

797
00:40:19,670 --> 00:40:16,890
it's still fresh even though it can

798
00:40:23,030 --> 00:40:19,680
become kind of rote and you know

799
00:40:27,740 --> 00:40:23,040
formulaic when it's a job what was JD

800
00:40:30,170 --> 00:40:27,750
what was the first film that started -

801
00:40:32,420 --> 00:40:30,180
that started this journey for you where

802
00:40:33,140 --> 00:40:32,430
you just went ha ha ha this isn't fun

803
00:40:35,990 --> 00:40:33,150
and games

804
00:40:37,730 --> 00:40:36,000
well I being a younger guy I was in high

805
00:40:40,030 --> 00:40:37,740
school in the 90s and I think that a

806
00:40:42,710 --> 00:40:40,040
couple films that stuck out that really

807
00:40:46,070 --> 00:40:42,720
piqued my interest in terms of looking

808
00:40:48,140 --> 00:40:46,080
into conspiracy would be a conspiracy

809
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:48,150
theory with Mel Gibson just because it's

810
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:50,370
so obvious that one's blatant right

811
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:52,050
remember the Godfather trilogy really

812
00:40:55,340 --> 00:40:53,970
stuck out to me because you're getting

813
00:40:57,620 --> 00:40:55,350
kind of a picture of how the world

814
00:40:59,750 --> 00:40:57,630
really works with crime syndicates and

815
00:41:00,680 --> 00:40:59,760
governments being paid off and that kind

816
00:41:03,050 --> 00:41:00,690
of stuff

817
00:41:04,610 --> 00:41:03,060
and I remember Blade Runner really stuck

818
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:04,620
out because I felt even though when I

819
00:41:09,140 --> 00:41:06,570
was 17 or 18 I first watched Blade

820
00:41:11,690 --> 00:41:09,150
Runner I didn't know the symbolism and

821
00:41:13,100 --> 00:41:11,700
the esoteric concepts going on per se

822
00:41:15,410 --> 00:41:13,110
but I felt like there was something

823
00:41:17,240 --> 00:41:15,420
deeper going on and so you know several

824
00:41:18,950 --> 00:41:17,250
years down the road you come back to

825
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:18,960
those and you you realize Oh Blood

826
00:41:23,150 --> 00:41:20,610
Brothers totally this sort of gnostic

827
00:41:24,950 --> 00:41:23,160
esoteric film which is one of the films

828
00:41:28,580 --> 00:41:24,960
that we covered we did a really Scott

829
00:41:30,110 --> 00:41:28,590
episode at Blade Runner episode so so

830
00:41:31,940 --> 00:41:30,120
yeah I would say that those kind of

831
00:41:34,310 --> 00:41:31,950
movies those three really stuck out to

832
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:34,320
me when I was in my teens and then as I

833
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:37,410
got into my 20s you know there could be

834
00:41:41,570 --> 00:41:39,650
a whole list of you know claw films that

835
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:41,580
Manchurian Candidate you know things

836
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:43,170
that you get exposed to when you when

837
00:41:46,220 --> 00:41:44,850
you go to college take film classes

838
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:46,230
you're gonna watch Kubrick you're gonna

839
00:41:50,210 --> 00:41:47,970
watch David Lynch films and that kind of

840
00:41:51,980 --> 00:41:50,220
stuff so it kind of builds into you

841
00:41:54,770 --> 00:41:51,990
realize that Wow Hollywood is full of

842
00:41:58,880 --> 00:41:54,780
conspiracy things speaking of I David

843
00:42:01,460 --> 00:41:58,890
Lynch and I'm you know it's it's kind of

844
00:42:04,100 --> 00:42:01,470
funny where you talk to people in

845
00:42:06,950 --> 00:42:04,110
Hollywood today about you know who is

846
00:42:09,530 --> 00:42:06,960
who who is the one that they like David

847
00:42:12,950 --> 00:42:09,540
Lynch is what everybody talks about

848
00:42:14,900 --> 00:42:12,960
today and and and they should but have

849
00:42:18,290 --> 00:42:14,910
you guys checked out the new Twin Peaks

850
00:42:21,410 --> 00:42:18,300
on Showtime oh yeah okay who wants to

851
00:42:23,430 --> 00:42:21,420
who wants to go for Hearst that it's

852
00:42:25,050 --> 00:42:23,440
pretty amazing this

853
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:25,060
this next go-around because I think for

854
00:42:31,740 --> 00:42:28,450
the first time for television that he's

855
00:42:34,710 --> 00:42:31,750
able to actually do what is going

856
00:42:36,329 --> 00:42:34,720
through his brain he was held back with

857
00:42:38,849 --> 00:42:36,339
network television you know there was

858
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:38,859
too many things that that that clamp you

859
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:40,930
down that this time around he is not

860
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:46,810
joking who wants to go first here hi

861
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:47,290
Katie

862
00:42:54,180 --> 00:42:50,530
I wrote several analyses and did several

863
00:42:57,030 --> 00:42:54,190
videos giving my take on both the old

864
00:43:00,599 --> 00:42:57,040
series and David Lynch's films and the

865
00:43:02,010 --> 00:43:00,609
the new reboot and I think it's piqued

866
00:43:05,010 --> 00:43:02,020
everybody's interest precisely because

867
00:43:07,770 --> 00:43:05,020
it's if television that nobody has

868
00:43:10,380 --> 00:43:07,780
really seen before or nothing like it in

869
00:43:13,020 --> 00:43:10,390
a long time I mean it's it's it's 25

870
00:43:15,510 --> 00:43:13,030
years to the day that the last episode

871
00:43:18,660 --> 00:43:15,520
of the show back in the 90s had Laura

872
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:18,670
Palmer saying to Agent Dale Cooper I'll

873
00:43:22,650 --> 00:43:20,530
see you in 25 years so I think there's

874
00:43:25,650 --> 00:43:22,660
something kind of mysterious to that

875
00:43:28,349 --> 00:43:25,660
that this show actually reboots 25 years

876
00:43:30,809 --> 00:43:28,359
later you know it picks up where we left

877
00:43:33,030 --> 00:43:30,819
off and it deals with ritual occult

878
00:43:34,710 --> 00:43:33,040
murder or something that is prevalent in

879
00:43:37,559 --> 00:43:34,720
the history of Hollywood actually it

880
00:43:40,050 --> 00:43:37,569
deals with you know the the occult it

881
00:43:41,790 --> 00:43:40,060
deals with all of these themes that when

882
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:41,800
I wrote my analysis a couple years ago

883
00:43:48,510 --> 00:43:45,490
that was also included in my book I I

884
00:43:51,569 --> 00:43:48,520
had a very elaborate precise thesis on

885
00:43:53,430 --> 00:43:51,579
how the show was telling us the reality

886
00:43:55,230 --> 00:43:53,440
behind you know how the world really

887
00:43:58,020 --> 00:43:55,240
works and how America is really run by

888
00:44:00,720 --> 00:43:58,030
kind of cults and sinister forces and

889
00:44:03,210 --> 00:44:00,730
whatnot and lo and behold mark frost the

890
00:44:05,579 --> 00:44:03,220
co-creator and writer of the show not

891
00:44:07,140 --> 00:44:05,589
too long ago put out a book the secret

892
00:44:09,450 --> 00:44:07,150
history of Twin Peaks and the entire

893
00:44:11,460 --> 00:44:09,460
book vindicates what would I wrote it's

894
00:44:14,309 --> 00:44:11,470
all about cults it's all about secret

895
00:44:19,339 --> 00:44:14,319
societies it's all about Crowley Jack

896
00:44:21,720 --> 00:44:19,349
Parsons the Pasadena and New Mexico

897
00:44:24,329 --> 00:44:21,730
nuclear bomb tests and all this stuff

898
00:44:26,819 --> 00:44:24,339
viewed as a ritual that's all in the

899
00:44:29,579 --> 00:44:26,829
book and so I think I think I have a I

900
00:44:32,540 --> 00:44:29,589
can I can brag about being one percent

901
00:44:35,819 --> 00:44:32,550
spot on in my analysis of Twin Peaks and

902
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:35,829
J well mister Widener what do you think

903
00:44:40,410 --> 00:44:37,650
about the new Twin Peaks

904
00:44:42,839 --> 00:44:40,420
well you know I'm actually waiting for

905
00:44:45,059 --> 00:44:42,849
the episodes to build up I watched the

906
00:44:48,089 --> 00:44:45,069
first couple but I want to wait now in

907
00:44:49,500 --> 00:44:48,099
binge watch on Hulu and so I really

908
00:44:51,380 --> 00:44:49,510
don't have that much to say except that

909
00:44:54,150 --> 00:44:51,390
I find what Jay just said very

910
00:44:56,579 --> 00:44:54,160
interesting he's almost like David Lynch

911
00:44:59,039 --> 00:44:56,589
was planning all this for like a quarter

912
00:45:01,799 --> 00:44:59,049
of a century ago which is kind of

913
00:45:05,039 --> 00:45:01,809
astonishing and I and and the fact that

914
00:45:07,410 --> 00:45:05,049
he's directing all of the episodes for

915
00:45:10,170 --> 00:45:07,420
the entire two seasons I think that's

916
00:45:13,500 --> 00:45:10,180
incredibly fascinating because he didn't

917
00:45:16,170 --> 00:45:13,510
do that with the original so I'm waiting

918
00:45:18,630 --> 00:45:16,180
to see where he's going I bet you it's

919
00:45:21,620 --> 00:45:18,640
going to go someplace interesting it is

920
00:45:25,859 --> 00:45:21,630
and there's one thing that he has

921
00:45:28,650 --> 00:45:25,869
steered into the subplot going back to

922
00:45:31,349 --> 00:45:28,660
the original series too but is is

923
00:45:33,510 --> 00:45:31,359
Project Blue Book and the Air Force side

924
00:45:37,079 --> 00:45:33,520
of the investigation that that all of

925
00:45:39,900 --> 00:45:37,089
this has to do with with Project Blue

926
00:45:42,180 --> 00:45:39,910
Book that that's now it hasn't been

927
00:45:44,609 --> 00:45:42,190
brought out to the front but for those

928
00:45:46,230 --> 00:45:44,619
of us that know what even what Project

929
00:45:50,010 --> 00:45:46,240
Blue Book is and this is like this

930
00:45:51,780 --> 00:45:50,020
underlying background thread that's

931
00:45:53,609 --> 00:45:51,790
tying everything together there's

932
00:45:55,410 --> 00:45:53,619
another interesting approach oh there's

933
00:45:58,559 --> 00:45:55,420
also one thing I don't know if the two

934
00:46:02,250 --> 00:45:58,569
of you have noticed this in the news

935
00:46:07,410 --> 00:46:02,260
series especially he is the sound

936
00:46:08,819 --> 00:46:07,420
designer okay so not only the music but

937
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:08,829
it's the special effects and the way

938
00:46:14,220 --> 00:46:11,530
that all of the this seascape of dream

939
00:46:17,609 --> 00:46:14,230
enos that that plays all of this

940
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:17,619
together is David Lynch and I love that

941
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:20,890
part of it it just keeps the the

942
00:46:25,410 --> 00:46:24,970
darkness all altogether from episode to

943
00:46:28,170 --> 00:46:25,420
episode

944
00:46:30,599 --> 00:46:28,180
I actually think David Lynch has always

945
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:30,609
been the sound design yes he has if you

946
00:46:35,940 --> 00:46:31,690
watch Eraserhead

947
00:46:38,579 --> 00:46:35,950
I mean for a low-budget film that's that

948
00:46:42,270 --> 00:46:38,589
movie had the best so it actually

949
00:46:44,910 --> 00:46:42,280
changed the way that we did sound design

950
00:46:47,730 --> 00:46:44,920
in movies yeah no no no doubt it did

951
00:46:50,850 --> 00:46:47,740
because the ambient music creates this

952
00:46:54,330 --> 00:46:50,860
dreamlike a fact and then Lynch

953
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:54,340
uses that so that he can then would do

954
00:46:59,310 --> 00:46:56,890
what I call linger shots which are

955
00:47:00,360 --> 00:46:59,320
actually illegal in Hollywood but he

956
00:47:02,490 --> 00:47:00,370
gets away with it

957
00:47:04,500 --> 00:47:02,500
which is where simply the carriages

958
00:47:06,240 --> 00:47:04,510
lingers right and it doesn't do anything

959
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:06,250
it just lingers it lingers on a street

960
00:47:10,380 --> 00:47:08,290
light blowing in the wind and lingers

961
00:47:12,210 --> 00:47:10,390
like tree it you know lingers on a

962
00:47:14,940 --> 00:47:12,220
stream and it's just like you're not

963
00:47:18,090 --> 00:47:14,950
supposed to do this yet he breaks every

964
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:18,100
rule in Hollywood and somehow he gets

965
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:20,290
away with it it's amazing and it's good

966
00:47:25,890 --> 00:47:22,810
he's good at it you mean he he makes the

967
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:25,900
closest thing to dreams of any filmmaker

968
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:28,930
that I that has lived as far as I'm

969
00:47:33,150 --> 00:47:30,970
concerned I think that all filmmakers

970
00:47:35,340 --> 00:47:33,160
and and I want both of your comments on

971
00:47:38,700 --> 00:47:35,350
this one of the if you could actually

972
00:47:42,330 --> 00:47:38,710
pull off what you are dreaming and get

973
00:47:43,740 --> 00:47:42,340
that onto film you are a success how

974
00:47:45,090 --> 00:47:43,750
many times you have you woken up from a

975
00:47:48,750 --> 00:47:45,100
dream and gone man that would be the

976
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:48,760
baddest movie ever right Lynch can do

977
00:47:55,830 --> 00:47:53,050
that he does exactly that he is able to

978
00:47:58,260 --> 00:47:55,840
pull off the the coolness and the fright

979
00:48:01,590 --> 00:47:58,270
the nightmarish that things that make

980
00:48:04,290 --> 00:48:01,600
dreams so crazy and creepy to us he's

981
00:48:05,970 --> 00:48:04,300
able to actually get it onto film and a

982
00:48:08,790 --> 00:48:05,980
visual sense and tied together with the

983
00:48:12,240 --> 00:48:08,800
audio and I think that's the magic and

984
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:12,250
somehow he pulls it all together the the

985
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:15,850
way that I do that is I go into my mind

986
00:48:30,720 --> 00:48:20,170
into a special place and they're in the

987
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:30,730
dream state I become a shaman I had to

988
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:32,890
shut off the mic okay everybody on the

989
00:48:39,930 --> 00:48:35,050
candidate great everybody in my bunker

990
00:48:43,950 --> 00:48:39,940
cam right now was dying that was good

991
00:48:46,620 --> 00:48:43,960
and also like last night he had Eddie

992
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:46,630
Vetter you know Jay a Widener you have

993
00:48:51,780 --> 00:48:48,010
been watching the series but at the end

994
00:48:55,380 --> 00:48:51,790
of each episode now he goes back to the

995
00:48:58,230 --> 00:48:55,390
the bar the Roadhouse and there's a

996
00:49:01,290 --> 00:48:58,240
stage performance his son a couple of

997
00:49:02,890 --> 00:49:01,300
weeks ago played a guitar did you see

998
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:02,900
that Jay Dyer

999
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:06,170
I did yeah Riley he's good oh man I

1000
00:49:10,089 --> 00:49:08,450
ended up playing that on coast 4 bumper

1001
00:49:12,099 --> 00:49:10,099
music it was so good so you're saying

1002
00:49:14,769 --> 00:49:12,109
Eddie Vetter was in one of the yes head

1003
00:49:16,660 --> 00:49:14,779
Eddie Vetter last night was the guitar

1004
00:49:18,069 --> 00:49:16,670
player and and and saying the song

1005
00:49:21,730 --> 00:49:18,079
lesson it was incredible it was

1006
00:49:23,589 --> 00:49:21,740
absolutely incredible so ok I want to go

1007
00:49:28,059 --> 00:49:23,599
back to one comment and then we're gonna

1008
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:28,069
move forward I also thought that blue

1009
00:49:33,910 --> 00:49:30,410
velvet and wild at heart

1010
00:49:35,859 --> 00:49:33,920
the sound design there started to set

1011
00:49:38,260 --> 00:49:35,869
the standard too for creativity in

1012
00:49:40,390 --> 00:49:38,270
Hollywood yeah they did it what's funny

1013
00:49:43,599 --> 00:49:40,400
is that he was actually laughed at when

1014
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:43,609
he premiered while the heart at

1015
00:49:48,940 --> 00:49:45,770
confessed of all people were angered by

1016
00:49:52,210 --> 00:49:48,950
the sound they thought it was this very

1017
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:52,220
disturbing and dissonant film and of

1018
00:49:55,720 --> 00:49:53,690
course now you know we look back and I

1019
00:49:57,490 --> 00:49:55,730
think most people really appreciate wild

1020
00:50:01,150 --> 00:49:57,500
at heart as well I think he's probably

1021
00:50:02,769 --> 00:50:01,160
his best dark satire but yeah he was

1022
00:50:05,769 --> 00:50:02,779
kind of dissed for a long time for that

1023
00:50:07,359 --> 00:50:05,779
for that approach yeah if you ever you

1024
00:50:09,849 --> 00:50:07,369
know if you ever want a really cool

1025
00:50:11,890 --> 00:50:09,859
dream just go to sleep - with wild at

1026
00:50:16,059 --> 00:50:11,900
heart playing in the background that is

1027
00:50:20,170 --> 00:50:16,069
just or even Twin Peaks the theme to

1028
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:20,180
Twin Peaks is like spooky dreamy weird

1029
00:50:26,319 --> 00:50:25,130
music that's just David Lynch JD that

1030
00:50:28,210 --> 00:50:26,329
was pretty good by the way that was

1031
00:50:31,870 --> 00:50:28,220
pretty that was pretty damn funny now

1032
00:50:32,980 --> 00:50:31,880
for me and I want to we're gonna come

1033
00:50:35,950 --> 00:50:32,990
back after the break and we'll jump

1034
00:50:38,019 --> 00:50:35,960
right into the Matrix trilogy but

1035
00:50:39,460 --> 00:50:38,029
leading up to that I want your comments

1036
00:50:45,250 --> 00:50:39,470
on this I know you guys are gonna do a

1037
00:50:49,870 --> 00:50:45,260
2001 episode coming up for me I have

1038
00:50:53,349 --> 00:50:49,880
watched 2001 so many times as a science

1039
00:50:55,720 --> 00:50:53,359
fiction film purely just as that trying

1040
00:50:57,970 --> 00:50:55,730
to get you know and I've seen the film I

1041
00:51:01,299 --> 00:50:57,980
don't know five hundred times without

1042
00:51:04,420 --> 00:51:01,309
exaggeration and now I see all of these

1043
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:04,430
hidden things now there is all of this

1044
00:51:09,670 --> 00:51:07,130
prophecy and everything that's the way

1045
00:51:12,670 --> 00:51:09,680
that things are playing out today with

1046
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:12,680
Europa and Enceladus and the moons of

1047
00:51:16,710 --> 00:51:15,410
Jupiter this was this was a film you

1048
00:51:20,290 --> 00:51:16,720
know shot in 60s

1049
00:51:23,770 --> 00:51:20,300
7/68 there was a that was another era

1050
00:51:25,270 --> 00:51:23,780
but the way that that portrayed the

1051
00:51:28,620 --> 00:51:25,280
future and nailed it

1052
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:28,630
spot on the money today is frightening

1053
00:51:36,070 --> 00:51:31,010
how are you guys going to break down the

1054
00:51:40,240 --> 00:51:36,080
film well I mean it's classic you know

1055
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:40,250
it's Cuba's classic film and of course I

1056
00:51:46,990 --> 00:51:44,810
believe that it was you know it was part

1057
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:47,000
of a research and development project to

1058
00:51:50,230 --> 00:51:48,650
figure out how to fake the moon landings

1059
00:51:52,870 --> 00:51:50,240
not to say we didn't go to the moon just

1060
00:51:56,250 --> 00:51:52,880
that what we were shown was faked and

1061
00:51:59,320 --> 00:51:56,260
probably directed by Stanley Kubrick but

1062
00:52:02,140 --> 00:51:59,330
what I think happened is is that Kubrick

1063
00:52:04,750 --> 00:52:02,150
realized that he pretty much could do

1064
00:52:07,540 --> 00:52:04,760
anything he wanted in this film no one

1065
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:07,550
cared because it was a secret R&D

1066
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:10,130
project and so he and arthur c clarke

1067
00:52:16,060 --> 00:52:13,210
who knew a lot more than people think

1068
00:52:18,670 --> 00:52:16,070
and probably they had late-night

1069
00:52:21,430 --> 00:52:18,680
conversations about what was really

1070
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:21,440
being discovered through the then secret

1071
00:52:30,190 --> 00:52:26,330
space program i q-- brick got downloaded

1072
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:30,200
and the people in the in nasa and the

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00:52:34,660 --> 00:52:32,090
secret space program they worshiped

1074
00:52:37,060 --> 00:52:34,670
arthur c clarke they thought that

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00:52:41,530 --> 00:52:37,070
childhoods and was you know the greatest

1076
00:52:44,350 --> 00:52:41,540
book ever written and you know a strange

1077
00:52:46,150 --> 00:52:44,360
story about the aliens that look like

1078
00:52:50,020 --> 00:52:46,160
the devil taking over the earth and

1079
00:52:53,380 --> 00:52:50,030
stealing all the children and so I think

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00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:53,390
Kubrick knew a lot more than he was then

1081
00:52:58,870 --> 00:52:56,450
he has led on I think that he used the

1082
00:53:01,930 --> 00:52:58,880
film Eyes Wide Shut to reveal that he

1083
00:53:05,710 --> 00:53:01,940
knew a lot more about things and I think

1084
00:53:08,380 --> 00:53:05,720
that we when we decipher 2001 we don't

1085
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:08,390
go into the moon landing stuff as much

1086
00:53:15,780 --> 00:53:12,530
as we go into Hal and AI and the

1087
00:53:18,610 --> 00:53:15,790
takeover and how when AI finds out that

1088
00:53:21,250 --> 00:53:18,620
humans are going to shut it down it

1089
00:53:22,330 --> 00:53:21,260
decides to kill the humans which is

1090
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:22,340
something we should all be very

1091
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:23,690
concerned about that's right

1092
00:53:32,019 --> 00:53:29,210
concerning AI and and jadeed for you

1093
00:53:34,390 --> 00:53:32,029
how do you how do you look at 2001 today

1094
00:53:37,299 --> 00:53:34,400
I just think it was foretelling the

1095
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:37,309
future in so many different levels yeah

1096
00:53:42,579 --> 00:53:40,490
I kind of do diverge from Jays analysis

1097
00:53:46,089 --> 00:53:42,589
a little bit Jay dub I think that he's

1098
00:53:49,720 --> 00:53:46,099
right in his moon thesis but I don't

1099
00:53:51,460 --> 00:53:49,730
take the view that that that this is

1100
00:53:52,900 --> 00:53:51,470
necessarily a positive thing I think

1101
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:52,910
that we're you if you look at the

1102
00:53:58,740 --> 00:53:55,490
original screenplay with arthur c clarke

1103
00:54:01,269 --> 00:53:58,750
and Kubrick you had the idea of

1104
00:54:03,910 --> 00:54:01,279
Starchild basically nuking the earth and

1105
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:03,920
starting over and then in the later

1106
00:54:08,650 --> 00:54:06,410
installments of the books you have Howe

1107
00:54:10,150 --> 00:54:08,660
and boom and kind of uniting together in

1108
00:54:14,650 --> 00:54:10,160
this transhumanist sense to become

1109
00:54:17,500 --> 00:54:14,660
howlman so I see it as a very negative

1110
00:54:20,710 --> 00:54:17,510
kind of a warning I think Kubrick is

1111
00:54:22,839 --> 00:54:20,720
sending us a warning and in that regard

1112
00:54:24,609 --> 00:54:22,849
I think Jay Wagner is absolutely correct

1113
00:54:28,150 --> 00:54:24,619
in his documentaries to call it an

1114
00:54:30,099 --> 00:54:28,160
alchemical transformational process so

1115
00:54:34,089 --> 00:54:30,109
that's that's essentially the view I

1116
00:54:35,859 --> 00:54:34,099
take and similarly I read The Shining in

1117
00:54:37,630 --> 00:54:35,869
the same is the same way I mean Kubrick

1118
00:54:39,940 --> 00:54:37,640
really has these same themes in all of

1119
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:39,950
his works which is you know all the

1120
00:54:43,029 --> 00:54:41,450
stuff that we see in the real world I

1121
00:54:44,009 --> 00:54:43,039
mean dr. Strangelove is telling us about

1122
00:54:46,569 --> 00:54:44,019
the military-industrial complex

1123
00:54:47,980 --> 00:54:46,579
controlling you know perception of

1124
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:47,990
reality the RAND Corporation

1125
00:54:52,630 --> 00:54:50,690
you know Lolita and Eyes Wide Shut are

1126
00:54:55,329 --> 00:54:52,640
telling us about human trafficking and

1127
00:54:57,759 --> 00:54:55,339
sex Society or sex cults and and that

1128
00:55:00,099 --> 00:54:57,769
kind of stuff and then you get the

1129
00:55:02,650 --> 00:55:00,109
shining and 2001 which are telling us

1130
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:02,660
about more esoteric spiritual reality so

1131
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:04,450
Kubrick I think is probably the most

1132
00:55:09,910 --> 00:55:08,210
diverse of the the esoteric filmmakers

1133
00:55:15,430 --> 00:55:09,920
and that he kind of covers all the bases

1134
00:55:18,549 --> 00:55:15,440
I kind of also shared Jay's analysis of

1135
00:55:22,569 --> 00:55:18,559
there was some kind of download of the

1136
00:55:26,339 --> 00:55:22,579
future that came to either Kubrick the

1137
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:26,349
way that arthur c clarke had his obvious

1138
00:55:33,249 --> 00:55:28,490
visions of the future whether it was

1139
00:55:35,859 --> 00:55:33,259
satellites or life on Europa and the

1140
00:55:38,799 --> 00:55:35,869
focus on Jupiter which is today that's

1141
00:55:41,170 --> 00:55:38,809
exactly what is going down I don't know

1142
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:41,180
yeah and I don't know if they were fed

1143
00:55:45,609 --> 00:55:42,170
this information

1144
00:55:47,650 --> 00:55:45,619
in 1968 that this is you know this is

1145
00:55:50,769 --> 00:55:47,660
what is actually going on in our own

1146
00:55:52,750 --> 00:55:50,779
solar system and you are able to put

1147
00:55:58,059 --> 00:55:52,760
this into your film and we'll use this

1148
00:55:59,890 --> 00:55:58,069
as a slow drip of knowledge to the

1149
00:56:02,470 --> 00:55:59,900
public about what is going on in our own

1150
00:56:05,140 --> 00:56:02,480
solar system I don't know but I do know

1151
00:56:07,380 --> 00:56:05,150
that exactly how it was portrayed in the

1152
00:56:12,099 --> 00:56:07,390
film is how it is playing out today in

1153
00:56:15,370 --> 00:56:12,109
2017 that is fine and don't forget that

1154
00:56:18,940 --> 00:56:15,380
in the book 2001 a Space Odyssey by

1155
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:18,950
Clark and Kubrick the goat they find the

1156
00:56:25,779 --> 00:56:23,210
monolith on a pittance a moon of Jupiter

1157
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:25,789
which we've seen is a very very odd

1158
00:56:33,279 --> 00:56:29,930
looking moon and you wonder why Clarke

1159
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:33,289
picked this odd moon you know when we

1160
00:56:37,390 --> 00:56:34,970
didn't know anything about it well and

1161
00:56:41,230 --> 00:56:37,400
then we have the monolith on Phobos

1162
00:56:43,299 --> 00:56:41,240
around Mars you know and again this

1163
00:56:45,819 --> 00:56:43,309
wasn't public this wasn't anybody's

1164
00:56:47,529 --> 00:56:45,829
knowledge but this seems to be what is

1165
00:56:49,569 --> 00:56:47,539
going on and there's one other thing

1166
00:56:52,420 --> 00:56:49,579
we've got 60 seconds the whole

1167
00:56:55,059 --> 00:56:52,430
deliberately buried part of the monolith

1168
00:56:57,789 --> 00:56:55,069
on the moon and here today I'm planet

1169
00:57:00,630 --> 00:56:57,799
earth we have the monoliths of Gobekli

1170
00:57:03,099 --> 00:57:00,640
Tepe being deliberately buried

1171
00:57:06,819 --> 00:57:03,109
deliberately twelve thousand years ago

1172
00:57:09,599 --> 00:57:06,829
we uncover them today is that strange

1173
00:57:12,220 --> 00:57:09,609
connection or not I don't know but it is

1174
00:57:14,620 --> 00:57:12,230
they're kind of monolithic looking they

1175
00:57:17,349 --> 00:57:14,630
are my like - what they do or they're

1176
00:57:19,269 --> 00:57:17,359
flat and they sit straight up and 30

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00:57:21,099 --> 00:57:19,279
feet long they were deliberately buried

1178
00:57:25,059 --> 00:57:21,109
so we can carbon date them

1179
00:57:26,499 --> 00:57:25,069
it's absolutely bizarre yeah I love this

1180
00:57:29,289 --> 00:57:26,509
okay let's take a break right here guys

1181
00:57:31,660 --> 00:57:29,299
and we'll come back and we'll start to

1182
00:57:32,859 --> 00:57:31,670
talk about the Matrix trilogy and your

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00:57:34,990 --> 00:57:32,869
first episode

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00:57:37,809 --> 00:57:35,000
this is fade to black our guest tonight

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00:57:39,759 --> 00:57:37,819
J Widener and J Dyer were discussing

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their new series on Gaia television

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called Hollywood decoded I'm your host

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00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:44,720
Jimmy Church and this is fade to black

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01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:42,300
welcome back fade to black I'm your host

1252
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:45,210
Jimmy church tonight our guests Jay

1253
01:01:49,700 --> 01:01:47,130
Widener and Jay Dyer we're discussing

1254
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their new series on Gaia they are the

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hosts of Hollywood decoded where they

1256
01:01:57,620 --> 01:01:55,110
break down some of the most iconic films

1257
01:02:00,350 --> 01:01:57,630
and their directors looking for that

1258
01:02:03,530 --> 01:02:00,360
hidden meaning symbolism and messages

1259
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:03,540
and possibly messages for the future

1260
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:06,210
which I think today to the both of you

1261
01:02:10,460 --> 01:02:08,250
is becoming more and more prevalent in

1262
01:02:13,010 --> 01:02:10,470
some of these films this future

1263
01:02:15,980 --> 01:02:13,020
prediction stuff playing out as is

1264
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:15,990
pretty disturbing and fun at the same

1265
01:02:20,630 --> 01:02:18,450
time let's discuss the matrix this is

1266
01:02:24,650 --> 01:02:20,640
the matrix trilogy you guys break this

1267
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:24,660
down in your first episode Jay Dyer let

1268
01:02:31,190 --> 01:02:27,690
me hit you with this first when I first

1269
01:02:33,980 --> 01:02:31,200
saw the matrix I went to my local

1270
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:33,990
theater the day that it premiered to a

1271
01:02:37,730 --> 01:02:35,850
half-empty house by the way I thought

1272
01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:37,740
that was fascinating but I saw the

1273
01:02:40,790 --> 01:02:39,090
description of the film and I thought

1274
01:02:44,060 --> 01:02:40,800
okay this is exactly what I want to go

1275
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:44,070
see let's go enjoy it I left completely

1276
01:02:48,470 --> 01:02:44,850
confused

1277
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:48,480
I enjoyed the film I had no clue I went

1278
01:02:52,730 --> 01:02:50,610
back twice that week to the same theater

1279
01:02:57,080 --> 01:02:52,740
to re-watch the film trying to get a

1280
01:03:02,240 --> 01:02:57,090
grip on what I was watching and it's

1281
01:03:05,090 --> 01:03:02,250
taken me 20 years now to start to digest

1282
01:03:07,580 --> 01:03:05,100
this film and its significance for you

1283
01:03:09,820 --> 01:03:07,590
the first time that you saw the film did

1284
01:03:12,770 --> 01:03:09,830
you understand what you were watching

1285
01:03:14,990 --> 01:03:12,780
not really because it was you know back

1286
01:03:16,580 --> 01:03:15,000
in the 90s and I you know that was

1287
01:03:18,730 --> 01:03:16,590
around the time that I was graduating

1288
01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:18,740
high school and had watched these other

1289
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:21,330
conspiracy esoteric Laden films that I

1290
01:03:24,980 --> 01:03:23,010
didn't really understand but you

1291
01:03:27,170 --> 01:03:24,990
mentioned before the break the idea of

1292
01:03:29,420 --> 01:03:27,180
them being in the know did these writers

1293
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:29,430
did these producers you know were they

1294
01:03:34,790 --> 01:03:32,490
in some kind of secret society were they

1295
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:34,800
given information and I think that if

1296
01:03:38,180 --> 01:03:36,690
you look at the character of Kubrick I

1297
01:03:40,580 --> 01:03:38,190
think he did know what was going on

1298
01:03:42,500 --> 01:03:40,590
that's how he had a lot of that that

1299
01:03:44,090 --> 01:03:42,510
information and embedded in the films

1300
01:03:47,090 --> 01:03:44,100
and I think when we look at the matrix

1301
01:03:48,770 --> 01:03:47,100
or any of these sci-fi classics you're

1302
01:03:52,039 --> 01:03:48,780
looking at the exact same thing you know

1303
01:03:55,069 --> 01:03:52,049
for example philip k dick was in the

1304
01:03:57,469 --> 01:03:55,079
circles of Silicon Valley and when you

1305
01:03:59,959 --> 01:03:57,479
read novels like valise or ubah kan

1306
01:04:01,999 --> 01:03:59,969
you're seeing things predicted like the

1307
01:04:03,769 --> 01:04:02,009
Internet it's because he knew what they

1308
01:04:06,650 --> 01:04:03,779
had the secret technology they had

1309
01:04:08,989 --> 01:04:06,660
secret it away and that it was coming in

1310
01:04:10,999 --> 01:04:08,999
the same vein Isaac Asimov wrote

1311
01:04:13,130 --> 01:04:11,009
foundation back and I think in the 40s

1312
01:04:15,140 --> 01:04:13,140
and foundation that whole series is

1313
01:04:17,150 --> 01:04:15,150
about basically Google a giant

1314
01:04:19,009 --> 01:04:17,160
predictive algorithm that can track mass

1315
01:04:21,799 --> 01:04:19,019
movements and I think that with the

1316
01:04:23,929 --> 01:04:21,809
matrix you have a lot of similar ideas

1317
01:04:26,449 --> 01:04:23,939
like a William Gibson's novel out of the

1318
01:04:28,669 --> 01:04:26,459
80s Neuromancer which spoke of the

1319
01:04:31,339 --> 01:04:28,679
matrix as this kind of interlinked web

1320
01:04:33,410 --> 01:04:31,349
that everybody would jack into the the

1321
01:04:37,429 --> 01:04:33,420
matrix is really a culmination of a lot

1322
01:04:38,959 --> 01:04:37,439
of prior influences like that and then

1323
01:04:41,299 --> 01:04:38,969
it also brings in a lot of weird

1324
01:04:43,130 --> 01:04:41,309
esoteric stuff like Kabbalah I think

1325
01:04:44,870 --> 01:04:43,140
that the Kabbalah is kind of the basis

1326
01:04:47,569 --> 01:04:44,880
of the idea of the matrix that it's not

1327
01:04:49,249 --> 01:04:47,579
just the film The Matrix where this

1328
01:04:51,769 --> 01:04:49,259
principles going on but actually our

1329
01:04:54,380 --> 01:04:51,779
world might be structured in this way

1330
01:04:56,449 --> 01:04:54,390
you know if we think about DNA DNA has

1331
01:04:59,059 --> 01:04:56,459
that kind of matrix like numerical

1332
01:05:00,799 --> 01:04:59,069
information code structure and so that's

1333
01:05:02,329 --> 01:05:00,809
kind of the the angle that Jay and I

1334
01:05:04,370 --> 01:05:02,339
took on that film was really looking at

1335
01:05:06,019 --> 01:05:04,380
this from my Plato's allegory of the

1336
01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:06,029
cave perspective and I think that's

1337
01:05:10,609 --> 01:05:07,650
really what the series is about how

1338
01:05:15,229 --> 01:05:10,619
about two j-dub did you understand the

1339
01:05:18,589 --> 01:05:15,239
film first time out no I mean I I knew

1340
01:05:22,099 --> 01:05:18,599
that I saw something important and that

1341
01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:22,109
I needed to go see it again and I knew

1342
01:05:28,459 --> 01:05:25,650
that it was touching on themes that had

1343
01:05:33,019 --> 01:05:28,469
weirdly been touched on by a film that

1344
01:05:37,009 --> 01:05:33,029
came out a year earlier I'm gonna forget

1345
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:37,019
the name of it it was a about oh my god

1346
01:05:43,699 --> 01:05:40,890
having a total brain fart but it was

1347
01:05:46,939 --> 01:05:43,709
about Gnosticism I knew that and that

1348
01:05:50,479 --> 01:05:46,949
the fake reality but it wasn't until I

1349
01:05:53,839 --> 01:05:50,489
really got into watching it over and

1350
01:05:55,910 --> 01:05:53,849
over again that I realized that the

1351
01:05:58,699 --> 01:05:55,920
Wachowski had actually touched on

1352
01:06:00,919 --> 01:05:58,709
greatness and probably the only time in

1353
01:06:03,799 --> 01:06:00,929
their film careers that they actually

1354
01:06:05,300 --> 01:06:03,809
did it and it must be weird to make such

1355
01:06:07,070 --> 01:06:05,310
a great film and then

1356
01:06:09,950 --> 01:06:07,080
you know never achieves that kind of

1357
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:09,960
greatness again but it is a great film

1358
01:06:18,610 --> 01:06:15,210
and it is about to me it's about the the

1359
01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:18,620
individuation of self and the

1360
01:06:25,790 --> 01:06:22,170
realization of self and that that is

1361
01:06:27,620 --> 01:06:25,800
what neo is really going through and I

1362
01:06:29,930 --> 01:06:27,630
think that's what we all go through in

1363
01:06:32,570 --> 01:06:29,940
life and that's why we all identify with

1364
01:06:35,710 --> 01:06:32,580
that film so much but the whole idea

1365
01:06:39,020 --> 01:06:35,720
that you know there's a fake reality and

1366
01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:39,030
has really kind of permeated into our

1367
01:06:43,330 --> 01:06:41,370
reality today and back that we're

1368
01:06:46,490 --> 01:06:43,340
calling things fake news and and

1369
01:06:48,890 --> 01:06:46,500
everything is fake and I think that

1370
01:06:52,750 --> 01:06:48,900
actually everything might be fake or

1371
01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:52,760
close to fake so I think we're in a way

1372
01:07:02,030 --> 01:06:56,490
they foretold our own discovery of the

1373
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:02,040
matrix the what I did I I've never

1374
01:07:06,890 --> 01:07:03,450
really done this with the film before

1375
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:06,900
but I sat there with my laptop night

1376
01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:09,930
after night after night transcribing my

1377
01:07:14,270 --> 01:07:11,610
favorite scenes of the film and

1378
01:07:18,830 --> 01:07:14,280
memorizing right I've never done that

1379
01:07:20,420 --> 01:07:18,840
that's how taken I was by the matrix and

1380
01:07:23,300 --> 01:07:20,430
this I'm talking about 19

1381
01:07:26,570 --> 01:07:23,310
you know 99 and I'm sitting there in my

1382
01:07:28,540 --> 01:07:26,580
living room with a laptop watching the

1383
01:07:30,470 --> 01:07:28,550
film over and over again trying to

1384
01:07:33,050 --> 01:07:30,480
understand it because I knew that there

1385
01:07:38,990 --> 01:07:33,060
was a message there and then one day it

1386
01:07:42,260 --> 01:07:39,000
hit me this entire thing about our world

1387
01:07:45,170 --> 01:07:42,270
just being ones and zeroes and the

1388
01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:45,180
possibility of that being I'm sitting in

1389
01:07:50,810 --> 01:07:48,930
my living room thinking I am neo in his

1390
01:07:52,700 --> 01:07:50,820
living room right he's got his computer

1391
01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:52,710
spread around him I'm doing the very

1392
01:07:56,840 --> 01:07:53,490
same thing

1393
01:07:59,330 --> 01:07:56,850
I'm transcribing the film holy crap

1394
01:08:04,060 --> 01:07:59,340
maybe this is all a matrix right and it

1395
01:08:06,890 --> 01:08:04,070
just it was like a Barnstorm of

1396
01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:06,900
visualization coming down on top of me

1397
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:08,730
and it forced me to change the view of

1398
01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:11,490
the world now today and I'm gonna hit JD

1399
01:08:16,870 --> 01:08:14,130
with this first today we have Silicon

1400
01:08:19,270 --> 01:08:16,880
Valley talking about this exact subject

1401
01:08:22,790 --> 01:08:19,280
that this is

1402
01:08:25,790 --> 01:08:22,800
an AI reality that this quite possibly

1403
01:08:29,300 --> 01:08:25,800
could all be ones and zeroes was created

1404
01:08:32,300 --> 01:08:29,310
by somebody else and that this is the

1405
01:08:36,590 --> 01:08:32,310
way we are living today that's a pretty

1406
01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:36,600
crazy prophecy for 1999 but now today

1407
01:08:40,250 --> 01:08:38,850
this is seriously being discussed in

1408
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:40,260
scientific circles

1409
01:08:45,590 --> 01:08:43,530
JD what do you think about that well my

1410
01:08:48,260 --> 01:08:45,600
view on that is that if you go back to

1411
01:08:51,140 --> 01:08:48,270
Verner Heisenberg the famous quantum

1412
01:08:53,090 --> 01:08:51,150
physicist he gave a lecture a long time

1413
01:08:54,620 --> 01:08:53,100
ago and he said in that lecture I think

1414
01:08:56,200 --> 01:08:54,630
it's the new st. Andrews lecture or

1415
01:08:58,610 --> 01:08:56,210
something like that but he talks about

1416
01:09:00,890 --> 01:08:58,620
the fact that what one of the things

1417
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:00,900
that they discovered was that reality is

1418
01:09:07,010 --> 01:09:04,890
not just random chaotic atoms and

1419
01:09:09,050 --> 01:09:07,020
molecules smashing about there's

1420
01:09:12,980 --> 01:09:09,060
actually a kind of structure to reality

1421
01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:12,990
at the most basic level and he literally

1422
01:09:17,270 --> 01:09:15,210
says that it's more like the kind of

1423
01:09:19,310 --> 01:09:17,280
worldview that Pythagoras talked about

1424
01:09:21,710 --> 01:09:19,320
where the Plato talked about so I think

1425
01:09:23,570 --> 01:09:21,720
that the the reason that these did these

1426
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:23,580
recent discoveries and theories that

1427
01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:27,930
light kind of has this platonic

1428
01:09:30,850 --> 01:09:29,730
structure that you're talking about or

1429
01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:30,860
that we might be living in a simulation

1430
01:09:35,630 --> 01:09:33,330
whether hitting on is that point that

1431
01:09:37,820 --> 01:09:35,640
Verner Heisenberg was saying several

1432
01:09:39,410 --> 01:09:37,830
decades ago was that that this really is

1433
01:09:42,190 --> 01:09:39,420
the structure of our world it's not

1434
01:09:44,630 --> 01:09:42,200
Newtonian atomism just chaotic

1435
01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:44,640
materialism it's actually highly

1436
01:09:50,030 --> 01:09:46,050
structured there's that there's a kind

1437
01:09:52,490 --> 01:09:50,040
of symmetry and fabric to the most basic

1438
01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:52,500
levels of reality and what's amazing is

1439
01:09:58,640 --> 01:09:54,690
that this is what Pythagoras was saying

1440
01:10:02,000 --> 01:09:58,650
2,000 3,000 years ago oh and and and Jay

1441
01:10:03,890 --> 01:10:02,010
Widener you obviously without alchemy

1442
01:10:06,170 --> 01:10:03,900
side of things and the the looking at

1443
01:10:08,270 --> 01:10:06,180
the future and secret societies and and

1444
01:10:10,820 --> 01:10:08,280
all of this did this start to change

1445
01:10:14,450 --> 01:10:10,830
your view of the message behind the

1446
01:10:18,050 --> 01:10:14,460
matrix well you know thinking about the

1447
01:10:24,350 --> 01:10:18,060
matrix that I find fascinating is that

1448
01:10:28,280 --> 01:10:24,360
it is to gen-xers the it's 2001 Space

1449
01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:28,290
Odyssey of their generation mmm and we

1450
01:10:32,300 --> 01:10:30,690
did the same thing that you just said

1451
01:10:34,820 --> 01:10:32,310
with the matrix

1452
01:10:36,740 --> 01:10:34,830
that's what we were doing with 2001 we'd

1453
01:10:38,450 --> 01:10:36,750
have computers we actually had to pay

1454
01:10:40,550 --> 01:10:38,460
you know two dollars to go to the movie

1455
01:10:42,740 --> 01:10:40,560
theater and watch it over and over and

1456
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:42,750
over again but I was in the movie

1457
01:10:49,190 --> 01:10:45,770
theater in 2001 with my notepad

1458
01:10:50,750 --> 01:10:49,200
furiously writing out every scene riding

1459
01:10:54,550 --> 01:10:50,760
him down trying to figure out what was

1460
01:10:58,880 --> 01:10:54,560
going on right and and and yeah the the

1461
01:11:01,760 --> 01:10:58,890
matrix is is this you know it's a great

1462
01:11:03,830 --> 01:11:01,770
film I mean I'm sorry it's truly one of

1463
01:11:07,070 --> 01:11:03,840
the greatest films of the last 20 years

1464
01:11:10,070 --> 01:11:07,080
and it may end up being one of the top

1465
01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:10,080
greatest films of all time it really is

1466
01:11:16,580 --> 01:11:13,170
that great and it touches on so many

1467
01:11:20,990 --> 01:11:16,590
levels I mean you know is what is what

1468
01:11:24,100 --> 01:11:21,000
his reality is life a dream you know our

1469
01:11:27,140 --> 01:11:24,110
who's in control of the matrix

1470
01:11:28,790 --> 01:11:27,150
everything about the film and it doesn't

1471
01:11:31,610 --> 01:11:28,800
die out I mean I watched it for

1472
01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:31,620
Hollywood decoders and it was just as

1473
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:34,890
riveting you know as it was when I first

1474
01:11:38,900 --> 01:11:36,810
saw it I watched by the way a little

1475
01:11:40,940 --> 01:11:38,910
secret if you want to know you're if

1476
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:40,950
you're watching the matrix and you want

1477
01:11:46,580 --> 01:11:43,530
to know if you're in the matrix this

1478
01:11:49,400 --> 01:11:46,590
scene will be tinted green slightly

1479
01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:49,410
green if you're in the matrix if you're

1480
01:11:54,710 --> 01:11:52,410
not in a matrix it will not be slightly

1481
01:12:01,730 --> 01:11:54,720
tinted green yeah it will be in full

1482
01:12:04,580 --> 01:12:01,740
living color and exactly the the aspect

1483
01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:04,590
of the technology that is presented in

1484
01:12:10,250 --> 01:12:07,890
the film I watched it again last week

1485
01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:10,260
with Rita the both of us watch the

1486
01:12:16,040 --> 01:12:13,170
beginning to end the technology in the

1487
01:12:18,440 --> 01:12:16,050
film and I'm talking about the CRT

1488
01:12:21,650 --> 01:12:18,450
monitors and the cell phones and and the

1489
01:12:25,250 --> 01:12:21,660
way that it's presented it stayed fresh

1490
01:12:27,200 --> 01:12:25,260
it doesn't bother me today is that

1491
01:12:30,200 --> 01:12:27,210
there's another sign of a great film or

1492
01:12:34,180 --> 01:12:30,210
you don't notice the time capsule aspect

1493
01:12:37,460 --> 01:12:34,190
of it that it is now a 20 year old film

1494
01:12:39,650 --> 01:12:37,470
well again like 2001 you don't really

1495
01:12:42,740 --> 01:12:39,660
notice it you're watching it and you're

1496
01:12:46,250 --> 01:12:42,750
not like it's it's it's like Kubrick and

1497
01:12:50,180 --> 01:12:46,260
the Wachowskis somehow perfected away

1498
01:12:54,049 --> 01:12:50,190
create a future where you're okay with

1499
01:12:57,199 --> 01:12:54,059
it if it's a little dorky at times and I

1500
01:12:58,759 --> 01:12:57,209
think that's the genius of both of those

1501
01:13:00,709 --> 01:12:58,769
films I think those films have a lot in

1502
01:13:06,859 --> 01:13:00,719
common by the way yeah they do they

1503
01:13:09,109 --> 01:13:06,869
really do now again just like Kubrick is

1504
01:13:13,069 --> 01:13:09,119
discussed in film schools today now the

1505
01:13:15,529 --> 01:13:13,079
Wachowskis are discussed in film school

1506
01:13:18,410 --> 01:13:15,539
it's the editing it's the way that the

1507
01:13:21,439 --> 01:13:18,420
the camera angles every shot I'm gonna

1508
01:13:22,189 --> 01:13:21,449
throw this to JD every shot is done with

1509
01:13:25,100 --> 01:13:22,199
intent

1510
01:13:28,969 --> 01:13:25,110
there is no laziness in the film it

1511
01:13:30,890 --> 01:13:28,979
never ever drags they made sure that

1512
01:13:32,540 --> 01:13:30,900
everything is framed right the music is

1513
01:13:34,370 --> 01:13:32,550
right the soundscape was right the

1514
01:13:38,029 --> 01:13:34,380
dialogue is right the script is write

1515
01:13:41,479 --> 01:13:38,039
the story paces correctly everything is

1516
01:13:44,660 --> 01:13:41,489
done with intent it's not easy to do but

1517
01:13:46,160 --> 01:13:44,670
do you see the film the same way yeah

1518
01:13:50,479 --> 01:13:46,170
and there's a reason for that I think

1519
01:13:53,989 --> 01:13:50,489
that the main point that stands out that

1520
01:13:56,449 --> 01:13:53,999
makes the matrix so great for its time

1521
01:13:57,529 --> 01:13:56,459
was precisely the technical stuff and

1522
01:13:59,149 --> 01:13:57,539
that's interesting because we don't

1523
01:14:00,609 --> 01:13:59,159
usually focus on the technical stuff

1524
01:14:03,020 --> 01:14:00,619
we're always talking about the

1525
01:14:05,270 --> 01:14:03,030
mythological or esoteric aspects of it

1526
01:14:08,299 --> 01:14:05,280
but but there is something to be said

1527
01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:08,309
for a lot of the camera work that was

1528
01:14:11,899 --> 01:14:10,050
done in the Matrix that had never been

1529
01:14:14,839 --> 01:14:11,909
seen before right and there was actually

1530
01:14:17,350 --> 01:14:14,849
a guy involved in this who he's kind of

1531
01:14:20,660 --> 01:14:17,360
famous now his name's Paul debe vac and

1532
01:14:24,109 --> 01:14:20,670
did what Debbie Beck did was essentially

1533
01:14:26,509 --> 01:14:24,119
graph out almost realistic CGI back in

1534
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:26,519
the late 90s early 2000s that were

1535
01:14:30,890 --> 01:14:29,010
almost you couldn't tell the difference

1536
01:14:32,359 --> 01:14:30,900
between that and reality so you could

1537
01:14:33,799 --> 01:14:32,369
see why they would bring him in to work

1538
01:14:36,770 --> 01:14:33,809
on the matrix but what's interesting is

1539
01:14:39,919 --> 01:14:36,780
that Paul dev of egg didn't just work on

1540
01:14:43,129 --> 01:14:39,929
the matrix avatar and gravity he would

1541
01:14:46,100 --> 01:14:43,139
also be part and parcel of working with

1542
01:14:48,259 --> 01:14:46,110
DARPA so I think when you're watching

1543
01:14:50,899 --> 01:14:48,269
something like The Matrix and I'm not

1544
01:14:52,939 --> 01:14:50,909
trying to detract from the artistic

1545
01:14:55,069 --> 01:14:52,949
sensibilities of the film I do think the

1546
01:14:57,229 --> 01:14:55,079
first matrix is really good as a film

1547
01:14:58,430 --> 01:14:57,239
but you're also looking at you know

1548
01:15:03,340 --> 01:14:58,440
cutting edge kind of

1549
01:15:06,170 --> 01:15:03,350
type stuff and you know Paul mm

1550
01:15:08,240 --> 01:15:06,180
installed with with both and it's just

1551
01:15:09,500 --> 01:15:08,250
once again that that aspect of the

1552
01:15:11,290 --> 01:15:09,510
military-industrial complex and the

1553
01:15:14,810 --> 01:15:11,300
intelligence agencies kind of having a

1554
01:15:16,700 --> 01:15:14,820
background role in a lot of what we

1555
01:15:22,370 --> 01:15:16,710
think might just be entertainment

1556
01:15:26,930 --> 01:15:22,380
there is one amazing scene in the matrix

1557
01:15:29,870 --> 01:15:26,940
which was Agent Smith interrogating neo

1558
01:15:33,350 --> 01:15:29,880
for the first time in in the silver room

1559
01:15:36,020 --> 01:15:33,360
right and Agent Smith pulls out the

1560
01:15:38,570 --> 01:15:36,030
dossier out in front of him and he opens

1561
01:15:41,260 --> 01:15:38,580
it up and through his dialogue he says

1562
01:15:45,260 --> 01:15:41,270
you know you've been living two lives

1563
01:15:48,459 --> 01:15:45,270
one that has a future and one that does

1564
01:15:53,990 --> 01:15:48,469
not right he flips over the page and

1565
01:15:56,360 --> 01:15:54,000
there is Neos passport picture now most

1566
01:15:59,840 --> 01:15:56,370
people don't know about the importance

1567
01:16:02,360 --> 01:15:59,850
of the significance of this scene but it

1568
01:16:04,550 --> 01:16:02,370
is as prophetic and as crazy and as

1569
01:16:08,180 --> 01:16:04,560
unbelievable as anything that one could

1570
01:16:13,459 --> 01:16:08,190
possibly suggest Jay Widener what

1571
01:16:19,630 --> 01:16:13,469
happens well the date on the passport is

1572
01:16:21,709 --> 01:16:19,640
of course September 11th 2001 and I

1573
01:16:24,950 --> 01:16:21,719
don't know what to make of that I mean

1574
01:16:29,240 --> 01:16:24,960
did the Wachowskis know or did the art

1575
01:16:31,880 --> 01:16:29,250
designer know or is it a coincidence you

1576
01:16:34,990 --> 01:16:31,890
know there's been a lot of movies and

1577
01:16:38,090 --> 01:16:35,000
records and and things that have were

1578
01:16:41,060 --> 01:16:38,100
predicting exactly the events of 9/11

1579
01:16:43,729 --> 01:16:41,070
including you know Kubrick's changing

1580
01:16:46,910 --> 01:16:43,739
the name of his movie from voice to the

1581
01:16:50,540 --> 01:16:46,920
stars to 2001 the Space Odyssey

1582
01:16:53,450 --> 01:16:50,550
naming his you know his movie after the

1583
01:16:57,530 --> 01:16:53,460
same year that this huge world-changing

1584
01:17:01,220 --> 01:16:57,540
event took place so you know III think

1585
01:17:04,790 --> 01:17:01,230
that it's significant that the Wachowski

1586
01:17:06,500 --> 01:17:04,800
z-- you know have this in their movie I

1587
01:17:10,340 --> 01:17:06,510
don't know what to make of it though

1588
01:17:12,170 --> 01:17:10,350
JD what do you think I think that it's

1589
01:17:14,510 --> 01:17:12,180
definitely predictive programming

1590
01:17:16,670 --> 01:17:14,520
fact there's a scene right next to this

1591
01:17:19,400 --> 01:17:16,680
the scene that you're talking about that

1592
01:17:21,590 --> 01:17:19,410
shows Neos birth date and Neos birth

1593
01:17:24,890 --> 01:17:21,600
date is the same as the Madrid bombing

1594
01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:24,900
3:11 so I don't think that 311 and 911

1595
01:17:29,030 --> 01:17:26,130
are being used in this film just

1596
01:17:31,580 --> 01:17:29,040
accidentally or you know I just by

1597
01:17:34,820 --> 01:17:31,590
happenstance I think this is one of many

1598
01:17:36,530 --> 01:17:34,830
examples where we find predictive

1599
01:17:39,410 --> 01:17:36,540
programming in films especially relation

1600
01:17:41,300 --> 01:17:39,420
in relation to 9/11 and the matrix

1601
01:17:45,170 --> 01:17:41,310
itself I mean if you watch the second

1602
01:17:47,720 --> 01:17:45,180
installment they essentially blow up a

1603
01:17:50,120 --> 01:17:47,730
building right I mean the the power

1604
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:50,130
plant right I mean that's kind of a 9/11

1605
01:17:54,890 --> 01:17:52,010
ish imagery yet so I think they're there

1606
01:17:57,560 --> 01:17:54,900
telegraphing that it was not a

1607
01:18:01,480 --> 01:17:57,570
coincidence it was on purpose well you

1608
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:01,490
have a 1 in 365 odd chance of picking

1609
01:18:07,670 --> 01:18:04,410
September 11th out right out of the days

1610
01:18:12,500 --> 01:18:07,680
no a year right year but then when you

1611
01:18:17,300 --> 01:18:12,510
go to the year 2000 ow the odds blow up

1612
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:17,310
and get realistically crazy to have that

1613
01:18:22,040 --> 01:18:20,010
date on the passport and it's not the

1614
01:18:24,680 --> 01:18:22,050
only film that has had September 11th in

1615
01:18:28,040 --> 01:18:24,690
it either there's there's many more

1616
01:18:30,770 --> 01:18:28,050
we'll talk about that but the the chance

1617
01:18:32,810 --> 01:18:30,780
of it being there now all of those

1618
01:18:35,810 --> 01:18:32,820
conspiracy theorists out there and

1619
01:18:39,020 --> 01:18:35,820
everybody else this is the bullet right

1620
01:18:40,970 --> 01:18:39,030
for their gun where they go aha see they

1621
01:18:42,860 --> 01:18:40,980
did know something is going on they knew

1622
01:18:46,550 --> 01:18:42,870
this in advance and here is proof of

1623
01:18:49,970 --> 01:18:46,560
this now does that add to somebody's

1624
01:18:51,200 --> 01:18:49,980
maybe unstable nature to what could be

1625
01:18:54,200 --> 01:18:51,210
going out of the world and then

1626
01:18:56,060 --> 01:18:54,210
something like this happens it kind of

1627
01:18:59,540 --> 01:18:56,070
would push somebody over the edge like

1628
01:19:01,760 --> 01:18:59,550
myself well I don't think that this

1629
01:19:04,820 --> 01:19:01,770
instance alone would be any kind of

1630
01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:04,830
proof I would just be circumstantial

1631
01:19:08,960 --> 01:19:06,570
evidence but I mean there's a lot more

1632
01:19:10,850 --> 01:19:08,970
to this like for example when Neos in

1633
01:19:13,490 --> 01:19:10,860
his apartment when he's actually

1634
01:19:16,130 --> 01:19:13,500
searching through online news articles

1635
01:19:17,540 --> 01:19:16,140
as he's sitting there typing you can

1636
01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:17,550
actually see that the articles on the

1637
01:19:21,170 --> 01:19:19,050
screen talk about British intelligence

1638
01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:21,180
and they they talk about Morpheus being

1639
01:19:25,100 --> 01:19:23,010
a terrorist and they're actually

1640
01:19:25,820 --> 01:19:25,110
situated in the Middle East he's reading

1641
01:19:27,380 --> 01:19:25,830
Middle Eastern

1642
01:19:30,770 --> 01:19:27,390
news articles so it's Riedel Eastern

1643
01:19:32,810 --> 01:19:30,780
terrorist named Morpheus right is and

1644
01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:32,820
then we you know two scenes later we're

1645
01:19:39,320 --> 01:19:36,810
at Asian Smith interrogating him and 911

1646
01:19:40,940 --> 01:19:39,330
comes up again I don't think that all

1647
01:19:42,230 --> 01:19:40,950
this stuff is just coincidence

1648
01:19:44,540 --> 01:19:42,240
precisely because there's so many

1649
01:19:46,370 --> 01:19:44,550
examples of it and yes there's

1650
01:19:48,770 --> 01:19:46,380
circumstantial pieces of evidence but a

1651
01:19:50,690 --> 01:19:48,780
whole bunch of circumstantial evidence I

1652
01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:50,700
think adds up to something going on

1653
01:19:55,550 --> 01:19:53,370
especially when you have so many people

1654
01:19:57,050 --> 01:19:55,560
in Hollywood and in the intelligence

1655
01:20:00,680 --> 01:19:57,060
agencies talking about the collusion

1656
01:20:03,290 --> 01:20:00,690
that goes on I actually agree with that

1657
01:20:05,330 --> 01:20:03,300
I think the circumstantial evidence is

1658
01:20:08,090 --> 01:20:05,340
so overwhelming that you could get a

1659
01:20:08,690 --> 01:20:08,100
conviction I really do yeah yeah I do

1660
01:20:11,750 --> 01:20:08,700
too

1661
01:20:13,010 --> 01:20:11,760
and now then we also have and you bring

1662
01:20:15,350 --> 01:20:13,020
up a good point about the Middle East

1663
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:15,360
and of course Morpheus and the where

1664
01:20:19,580 --> 01:20:17,010
he's looking then you had the name of

1665
01:20:21,200 --> 01:20:19,590
the ship you have the names of each of

1666
01:20:23,870 --> 01:20:21,210
the characters in the film and

1667
01:20:30,140 --> 01:20:23,880
everything is always pointing towards

1668
01:20:34,130 --> 01:20:30,150
this the the mythology of our world that

1669
01:20:36,260 --> 01:20:34,140
most people most fans of cinema aren't

1670
01:20:38,500 --> 01:20:36,270
going to understand any of this but it

1671
01:20:40,850 --> 01:20:38,510
was written into the script with intent

1672
01:20:42,590 --> 01:20:40,860
yeah there's there's a main lying

1673
01:20:45,440 --> 01:20:42,600
academic book I mean I wrote my book

1674
01:20:46,610 --> 01:20:45,450
with a more of a philosophical bent more

1675
01:20:48,680 --> 01:20:46,620
of an esoteric bent but there are

1676
01:20:51,020 --> 01:20:48,690
mainline academic books one by Tricia

1677
01:20:53,720 --> 01:20:51,030
Jenkins from the University of Texas

1678
01:20:56,120 --> 01:20:53,730
called Hollywood in the CIA there's an

1679
01:20:58,520 --> 01:20:56,130
academic book called Operation Hollywood

1680
01:21:00,560 --> 01:20:58,530
and these are mainline University

1681
01:21:02,060 --> 01:21:00,570
professors talking about the the deep

1682
01:21:04,570 --> 01:21:02,070
collusion and influence that the

1683
01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:04,580
Pentagon's had the CIA's had with

1684
01:21:10,190 --> 01:21:07,290
various studios and scripts and they

1685
01:21:12,170 --> 01:21:10,200
really can you know come along and say

1686
01:21:16,700 --> 01:21:12,180
hey you're not gonna have that in your

1687
01:21:19,010 --> 01:21:16,710
script you know you can go to CIA gov

1688
01:21:21,620 --> 01:21:19,020
right now and and and go look at their

1689
01:21:24,350 --> 01:21:21,630
entertainment division it'll tell you

1690
01:21:27,770 --> 01:21:24,360
right there what their goals are and I

1691
01:21:31,250 --> 01:21:27,780
think they're hiring by the way have you

1692
01:21:33,200 --> 01:21:31,260
guys ever gone to that page yeah I had

1693
01:21:34,180 --> 01:21:33,210
it was on there working for them for a

1694
01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:34,190
while

1695
01:21:39,080 --> 01:21:37,290
it's disturbing I put it out there with

1696
01:21:40,460 --> 01:21:39,090
them I'll put a link to it and

1697
01:21:42,200 --> 01:21:40,470
and spread it out there in social media

1698
01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:42,210
and I was like well if I wanted to stay

1699
01:21:48,650 --> 01:21:47,010
invisible I'm not now it's not the not

1700
01:21:52,340 --> 01:21:48,660
the right way to go then there's the

1701
01:21:56,390 --> 01:21:52,350
other aspect too which i think is the

1702
01:22:00,620 --> 01:21:56,400
religious side of the matrix neo being a

1703
01:22:02,300 --> 01:22:00,630
play an anagram on the one and I don't

1704
01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:02,310
think most people actually get that they

1705
01:22:12,100 --> 01:22:09,930
just think it's just a cool name right

1706
01:22:14,200 --> 01:22:12,110
to call this a process of individuation

1707
01:22:18,080 --> 01:22:14,210
you know an alchemical

1708
01:22:19,730 --> 01:22:18,090
self-transformation J whitener yeah I

1709
01:22:23,900 --> 01:22:19,740
think that's right I think that's what's

1710
01:22:27,080 --> 01:22:23,910
going on here I do is he's the one in

1711
01:22:29,540 --> 01:22:27,090
other words he's becoming one but he's

1712
01:22:33,560 --> 01:22:29,550
also the one which is the totality of

1713
01:22:37,010 --> 01:22:33,570
one and so we see that going on and the

1714
01:22:38,780 --> 01:22:37,020
play of words with neo and I think that

1715
01:22:40,730 --> 01:22:38,790
you know I wish more people would get

1716
01:22:43,940 --> 01:22:40,740
that because it's actually one of the

1717
01:22:47,090 --> 01:22:43,950
most brilliant parts of the matrix is

1718
01:22:50,300 --> 01:22:47,100
the fact that Neil is one I think that's

1719
01:22:55,790 --> 01:22:50,310
also why we're a little disappointed in

1720
01:22:59,450 --> 01:22:55,800
the two sequels because neo has already

1721
01:23:02,270 --> 01:22:59,460
reached full individuation at the end of

1722
01:23:05,180 --> 01:23:02,280
the first movie and so there's really

1723
01:23:12,410 --> 01:23:05,190
not much room to go unless you create

1724
01:23:14,810 --> 01:23:12,420
multiple Neos which they did and I

1725
01:23:18,980 --> 01:23:14,820
wanted to I wanted to stay in that same

1726
01:23:24,290 --> 01:23:18,990
point now I just I blocked where I was

1727
01:23:27,500 --> 01:23:24,300
going with that which was when he

1728
01:23:32,300 --> 01:23:27,510
discovered that he was oh oh oh Zion so

1729
01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:32,310
then you have that play there written

1730
01:23:36,260 --> 01:23:34,410
into the script now what do you think

1731
01:23:39,110 --> 01:23:36,270
the intention was there we have the

1732
01:23:41,720 --> 01:23:39,120
direct obvious references but was there

1733
01:23:43,700 --> 01:23:41,730
something else in play I think if you

1734
01:23:46,850 --> 01:23:43,710
look at the rest of the Wachowskis works

1735
01:23:49,490 --> 01:23:46,860
like their version of Cloud Atlas I

1736
01:23:50,740 --> 01:23:49,500
think they have a very Gnostic view of

1737
01:23:52,720 --> 01:23:50,750
the world

1738
01:23:54,400 --> 01:23:52,730
and so when you see the terms Trinity

1739
01:23:56,680 --> 01:23:54,410
when you see Zion and when you see

1740
01:23:59,020 --> 01:23:56,690
Nebuchadnezzar these all come out of the

1741
01:24:00,880 --> 01:23:59,030
Bible but I think that they are redone

1742
01:24:03,670 --> 01:24:00,890
and revamped and they're given a kind of

1743
01:24:05,530 --> 01:24:03,680
a gnostic meaning and I think that's

1744
01:24:09,910 --> 01:24:05,540
consistent and pretty much all of their

1745
01:24:14,850 --> 01:24:09,920
films j-dub I completely agree with that

1746
01:24:18,760 --> 01:24:14,860
they're using a deep symbology to

1747
01:24:20,710 --> 01:24:18,770
recreate a Gnostic point of view which

1748
01:24:25,500 --> 01:24:20,720
seems to be having a renaissance right

1749
01:24:29,860 --> 01:24:25,510
now in every level literature art movies

1750
01:24:32,220 --> 01:24:29,870
so for some reason Gnosticism is making

1751
01:24:34,930 --> 01:24:32,230
a comeback oh the architect right

1752
01:24:37,750 --> 01:24:34,940
yeah the architect exactly yeah that's

1753
01:24:39,430 --> 01:24:37,760
exactly right and could the film we're

1754
01:24:41,740 --> 01:24:39,440
gonna head towards a break I'm gonna

1755
01:24:44,080 --> 01:24:41,750
throw this to j-dub first then over to

1756
01:24:45,580 --> 01:24:44,090
Jay Dee same question could the film

1757
01:24:50,740 --> 01:24:45,590
have the same meaning without

1758
01:24:53,320 --> 01:24:50,750
Nebuchadnezzar Trinity neo and and Zion

1759
01:24:55,480 --> 01:24:53,330
and these biblical references if we

1760
01:24:58,540 --> 01:24:55,490
interchange those names would have had

1761
01:25:02,110 --> 01:24:58,550
the same impact no I really don't think

1762
01:25:05,380 --> 01:25:02,120
so I think that which house Keys working

1763
01:25:10,540 --> 01:25:05,390
or whoever the deep state may be is a

1764
01:25:14,020 --> 01:25:10,550
working at a deep level to tell us

1765
01:25:16,600 --> 01:25:14,030
something and that something is a very

1766
01:25:19,660 --> 01:25:16,610
interesting thing because at first you

1767
01:25:23,470 --> 01:25:19,670
think you're being told and I didn't say

1768
01:25:25,150 --> 01:25:23,480
this in our hollywood ii show but at

1769
01:25:28,030 --> 01:25:25,160
first you think you're being told that

1770
01:25:30,940 --> 01:25:28,040
it's good to individuate it's good to

1771
01:25:34,720 --> 01:25:30,950
come out and become a way separate from

1772
01:25:40,440 --> 01:25:34,730
the you know the all but you know in a

1773
01:25:43,930 --> 01:25:40,450
lot of ways the film is a very negative

1774
01:25:46,390 --> 01:25:43,940
film about about us and about how

1775
01:25:49,660 --> 01:25:46,400
trapped we are and about how difficult

1776
01:25:52,300 --> 01:25:49,670
it is to get out of the trap and how few

1777
01:25:54,600 --> 01:25:52,310
people can get out of the trap so in a

1778
01:25:57,300 --> 01:25:54,610
lot of ways the film is a very negative

1779
01:26:01,540 --> 01:25:57,310
film about the human condition

1780
01:26:03,150 --> 01:26:01,550
Jadey yeah it started positive and then

1781
01:26:06,030 --> 01:26:03,160
it kind of went down

1782
01:26:08,460 --> 01:26:06,040
that rabbit hole that j-dub talking

1783
01:26:10,470 --> 01:26:08,470
about because I think they were looking

1784
01:26:14,090 --> 01:26:10,480
for ways to take the story and they kind

1785
01:26:16,380 --> 01:26:14,100
of just stacked on these these weird

1786
01:26:18,360 --> 01:26:16,390
sequels and then by the third one you

1787
01:26:20,700 --> 01:26:18,370
have just this it almost looks like a

1788
01:26:22,620 --> 01:26:20,710
Jehovah's Witness painting where they're

1789
01:26:25,350 --> 01:26:22,630
all just sitting around and this rainbow

1790
01:26:27,060 --> 01:26:25,360
land and it's all it's iced all still

1791
01:26:29,190 --> 01:26:27,070
fake everybody we're just gonna make a

1792
01:26:32,190 --> 01:26:29,200
nice matrix now so I think it really

1793
01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:32,200
just kind of went downhill but I enjoyed

1794
01:26:38,460 --> 01:26:35,770
I enjoyed one or two and three they

1795
01:26:41,340 --> 01:26:38,470
didn't have nearly the impact that one

1796
01:26:43,530 --> 01:26:41,350
did but as far as the cinematic trip

1797
01:26:47,190 --> 01:26:43,540
goes I think it delivered

1798
01:26:49,350 --> 01:26:47,200
III do oh yeah yeah yeah definitely they

1799
01:26:51,300 --> 01:26:49,360
mean they blew the bucks on those two

1800
01:26:53,850 --> 01:26:51,310
films were serious and they had great

1801
01:26:55,980 --> 01:26:53,860
effects and you know what they were

1802
01:26:59,160 --> 01:26:55,990
doing really is

1803
01:27:02,370 --> 01:26:59,170
they were perfecting a whole bunch of

1804
01:27:05,550 --> 01:27:02,380
digital effects that became the norm

1805
01:27:07,680 --> 01:27:05,560
after that yeah yeah I remember when we

1806
01:27:10,220 --> 01:27:07,690
come back I want to talk about actually

1807
01:27:13,580 --> 01:27:10,230
Joe Pantoliano

1808
01:27:17,250 --> 01:27:13,590
character cipher because he was actually

1809
01:27:18,780 --> 01:27:17,260
as important in the film as any of the

1810
01:27:21,690 --> 01:27:18,790
other characters I want to touch upon

1811
01:27:23,010 --> 01:27:21,700
that but as we head into it the break

1812
01:27:25,440 --> 01:27:23,020
when we talk about the groundbreaking

1813
01:27:31,310 --> 01:27:25,450
special effects if you remember the

1814
01:27:34,050 --> 01:27:31,320
fight scene with neo with multiple agent

1815
01:27:35,760 --> 01:27:34,060
Smith's that was supposed to be the

1816
01:27:37,830 --> 01:27:35,770
greatest film sequence ever in the

1817
01:27:39,630 --> 01:27:37,840
history of Hollywood and that's what

1818
01:27:41,850 --> 01:27:39,640
they were trying to they knew they had

1819
01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:41,860
to one-up themselves and they were not

1820
01:27:47,610 --> 01:27:45,130
scared you know they did attempt to push

1821
01:27:49,830 --> 01:27:47,620
the envelope on all of the film's uh

1822
01:27:51,780 --> 01:27:49,840
heading out all the way through number

1823
01:27:53,400 --> 01:27:51,790
three this is fade to black our guest

1824
01:27:55,050 --> 01:27:53,410
tonight J Widener and J Dyer we're

1825
01:27:58,650 --> 01:27:55,060
talking about their new series on gaya

1826
01:28:00,900 --> 01:27:58,660
TV it's called Hollywood decoded more

1827
01:28:02,570 --> 01:28:00,910
with J and J after this short break

1828
01:28:20,580 --> 01:28:02,580
stay with us

1829
01:28:25,620 --> 01:28:22,850
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1830
01:28:28,620 --> 01:28:25,630
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need to say there I I am lucky I I know

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people over there and I am able to see

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all the excellent stuff I wanted to talk

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about something very unique that happens

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01:32:31,380 --> 01:32:27,340
in the matrix where you have Agent Smith

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01:32:34,770 --> 01:32:31,390
wanting out right that says his thing he

1906
01:32:37,590 --> 01:32:34,780
wants out and you've got a patio

1907
01:32:40,680 --> 01:32:37,600
Guiliano's character cipher wanting back

1908
01:32:45,270 --> 01:32:40,690
in right it's like this weird thing and

1909
01:32:46,890 --> 01:32:45,280
and ciphers stay a famous line where is

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01:32:50,100 --> 01:32:46,900
looking at the steak and I see this

1911
01:32:52,410 --> 01:32:50,110
steak and it's juicy he's talking about

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01:32:54,690 --> 01:32:52,420
the appeal of the matrix and it's a safe

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01:32:57,480 --> 01:32:54,700
place to be and the world out there that

1914
01:32:59,190 --> 01:32:57,490
we live in in reality is just unstable

1915
01:33:01,650 --> 01:32:59,200
and he doesn't dig it anymore

1916
01:33:08,610 --> 01:33:01,660
so we have this this contrast going on

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01:33:11,550 --> 01:33:08,620
what do you think ciphers message is the

1918
01:33:17,460 --> 01:33:11,560
dreamworld is preferable to the real

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01:33:20,100 --> 01:33:17,470
world i I agree a JD what do you think

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01:33:22,680 --> 01:33:20,110
he's trying to say they're ciphers the

1921
01:33:26,310 --> 01:33:22,690
Judas like character he's really the one

1922
01:33:29,340 --> 01:33:26,320
that betrays neo who is the pseudo sort

1923
01:33:31,410 --> 01:33:29,350
of quasi Christ character especially by

1924
01:33:33,390 --> 01:33:31,420
the third episode where he more or less

1925
01:33:36,540 --> 01:33:33,400
gives gives his life you know so the

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01:33:41,070 --> 01:33:36,550
Zion can continue wow so I see him as

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01:33:43,140 --> 01:33:41,080
just emblematic of those who would for

1928
01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:43,150
base pleasures you know just kind of

1929
01:33:49,860 --> 01:33:47,050
choose the easier path and I try to the

1930
01:33:51,750 --> 01:33:49,870
path of least resistance but we find out

1931
01:33:52,980 --> 01:33:51,760
that of course that's that's not really

1932
01:33:56,670 --> 01:33:52,990
all it's cracked up to be

1933
01:34:02,250 --> 01:33:56,680
so that's how I read it I do too I do

1934
01:34:04,390 --> 01:34:02,260
too now I want to I was okay with with

1935
01:34:07,270 --> 01:34:04,400
cypher

1936
01:34:10,270 --> 01:34:07,280
we needed that character to be there but

1937
01:34:12,970 --> 01:34:10,280
I was actually okay with what he was

1938
01:34:14,800 --> 01:34:12,980
saying but he also helped me and this is

1939
01:34:18,100 --> 01:34:14,810
the truth in the very beginning he

1940
01:34:19,990 --> 01:34:18,110
helped me figure out the film right he

1941
01:34:23,080 --> 01:34:20,000
helped me tie it all together what was

1942
01:34:25,960 --> 01:34:23,090
actually going on there and it was a

1943
01:34:28,090 --> 01:34:25,970
Joe's character that that for me opened

1944
01:34:30,490 --> 01:34:28,100
up the light bulb started to go off and

1945
01:34:34,060 --> 01:34:30,500
I started to tie the film together just

1946
01:34:36,190 --> 01:34:34,070
like a.j Widener was saying back in back

1947
01:34:37,720 --> 01:34:36,200
in the day at 2001 he was taking notes

1948
01:34:39,010 --> 01:34:37,730
you know in the movie theater while I

1949
01:34:41,470 --> 01:34:39,020
was doing the same thing and I was

1950
01:34:44,020 --> 01:34:41,480
having a lot of difficulty with the

1951
01:34:46,390 --> 01:34:44,030
matrix I knew that it was significant

1952
01:34:49,930 --> 01:34:46,400
but I couldn't quite figure it out and

1953
01:34:53,140 --> 01:34:49,940
it was ciphers character that that one

1954
01:34:55,960 --> 01:34:53,150
night it just just blew up for me and

1955
01:34:59,290 --> 01:34:55,970
I've never really looked back now I

1956
01:35:01,090 --> 01:34:59,300
wanted to do this as we as we move

1957
01:35:04,900 --> 01:35:01,100
forward here I want to go back to the

1958
01:35:07,900 --> 01:35:04,910
September 11th aspect of things because

1959
01:35:12,280 --> 01:35:07,910
when we look at Back to the Future and

1960
01:35:13,900 --> 01:35:12,290
again three films that I thought I'm

1961
01:35:17,950 --> 01:35:13,910
going to hit you with this first before

1962
01:35:21,330 --> 01:35:17,960
we move on very rarely is a sequel as

1963
01:35:24,160 --> 01:35:21,340
good as or better than the original I

1964
01:35:27,160 --> 01:35:24,170
thought that Back to the Future 2 and

1965
01:35:30,430 --> 01:35:27,170
Back to the Future 3 I thought I thought

1966
01:35:33,400 --> 01:35:30,440
3 was the best film out of the trilogy

1967
01:35:35,320 --> 01:35:33,410
as crazy as that sounds that's how great

1968
01:35:38,080 --> 01:35:35,330
those films were and I thought that they

1969
01:35:40,630 --> 01:35:38,090
all tied together really really well but

1970
01:35:42,460 --> 01:35:40,640
they also prophesized the future on so

1971
01:35:45,490 --> 01:35:42,470
many different levels and then we're

1972
01:35:49,030 --> 01:35:45,500
supposed to be comedy family films JD

1973
01:35:50,680 --> 01:35:49,040
those were released when you were you

1974
01:35:54,940 --> 01:35:50,690
know checking out films for the first

1975
01:35:57,010 --> 01:35:54,950
time and I get that I was young too did

1976
01:36:00,730 --> 01:35:57,020
you have any idea of the cultural impact

1977
01:36:03,940 --> 01:36:00,740
of Back to the Future 1 2 & 3 over time

1978
01:36:06,760 --> 01:36:03,950
no but I love those all those 80s

1979
01:36:09,510 --> 01:36:06,770
classics are some of my favorites and I

1980
01:36:12,880 --> 01:36:09,520
did do analyses of Back to the Future

1981
01:36:15,460 --> 01:36:12,890
and I do think there is a 9/11 element

1982
01:36:16,950 --> 01:36:15,470
there but I also think it's kind of it's

1983
01:36:19,380 --> 01:36:16,960
playing with

1984
01:36:21,600 --> 01:36:19,390
a lot of archetypal ideas that we see

1985
01:36:23,640 --> 01:36:21,610
throughout literature so you know Marty

1986
01:36:26,520 --> 01:36:23,650
McFly goes like the hero's journey

1987
01:36:31,050 --> 01:36:26,530
always does he goes through the process

1988
01:36:33,450 --> 01:36:31,060
of you know dealing with oedipal type

1989
01:36:35,850 --> 01:36:33,460
stuff dealing with

1990
01:36:38,550 --> 01:36:35,860
Jungian archetypes and so forth for

1991
01:36:40,440 --> 01:36:38,560
example he goes to the Enchantment in in

1992
01:36:42,510 --> 01:36:40,450
the abyss dance is what I called it

1993
01:36:47,700 --> 01:36:42,520
because you'll notice in a lot of films

1994
01:36:50,280 --> 01:36:47,710
like Back to the Future or dark City

1995
01:36:54,209 --> 01:36:50,290
there will be these curious scenes where

1996
01:36:56,850 --> 01:36:54,219
they they enter some sort of phase of

1997
01:36:59,190 --> 01:36:56,860
the abyss where they encounter a Neptune

1998
01:37:01,530 --> 01:36:59,200
type character now why would that be

1999
01:37:03,930 --> 01:37:01,540
well I think that's because the the

2000
01:37:06,810 --> 01:37:03,940
journey that Marty McFly goes on and

2001
01:37:09,300 --> 01:37:06,820
additionally in the first one is into

2002
01:37:11,010 --> 01:37:09,310
his own psyche and he's going into kind

2003
01:37:13,020 --> 01:37:11,020
of his own background his own race

2004
01:37:15,479 --> 01:37:13,030
memories if you will and he's trying he

2005
01:37:18,390 --> 01:37:15,489
wants to try to fix things and to make

2006
01:37:22,500 --> 01:37:18,400
the world perfect but what he realizes

2007
01:37:24,780 --> 01:37:22,510
is that ultimately he can't control the

2008
01:37:27,300 --> 01:37:24,790
future he can't he can't cause these

2009
01:37:29,130 --> 01:37:27,310
things to be better than they were and

2010
01:37:30,690 --> 01:37:29,140
ultimately I think he kind of he comes

2011
01:37:32,310 --> 01:37:30,700
to cope with those things because the

2012
01:37:34,890 --> 01:37:32,320
whole seriesins of being basically

2013
01:37:37,709 --> 01:37:34,900
dealing with different timelines and how

2014
01:37:39,479 --> 01:37:37,719
far could I go back and what exactly do

2015
01:37:41,990 --> 01:37:39,489
I need to change and really the message

2016
01:37:45,560 --> 01:37:42,000
I think philosophically speaking is just

2017
01:37:49,170 --> 01:37:45,570
being content and accepting our own time

2018
01:37:52,229 --> 01:37:49,180
j-dub did you think that these would

2019
01:37:56,729 --> 01:37:52,239
have such cultural impact so many years

2020
01:37:59,700 --> 01:37:56,739
later absolutely not I loved him when

2021
01:38:02,640 --> 01:37:59,710
they came out of course but I didn't

2022
01:38:07,080 --> 01:38:02,650
realize of course until later analysis

2023
01:38:09,600 --> 01:38:07,090
started showing up about what what does

2024
01:38:14,310 --> 01:38:09,610
a mecca's know and when did he know it

2025
01:38:18,060 --> 01:38:14,320
you know and I find it odd very odd that

2026
01:38:20,910 --> 01:38:18,070
there's all the 9/11 references to a

2027
01:38:24,959 --> 01:38:20,920
film made that long ago and the fact

2028
01:38:26,760 --> 01:38:24,969
that the first film is you know well

2029
01:38:29,330 --> 01:38:26,770
actually they'll are about a guy who's

2030
01:38:33,230 --> 01:38:29,340
trying to warn the world

2031
01:38:36,650 --> 01:38:33,240
about a future terrorist event that no

2032
01:38:39,830 --> 01:38:36,660
one will listen to and that would seem

2033
01:38:41,420 --> 01:38:39,840
to be what zemeckis is doing in the

2034
01:38:45,470 --> 01:38:41,430
film's he's trying to warn the world

2035
01:38:48,260 --> 01:38:45,480
about a future terrorist event that no

2036
01:38:51,470 --> 01:38:48,270
one is listening and I do find that

2037
01:38:55,220 --> 01:38:51,480
largely unnerving and the analysis is

2038
01:38:57,230 --> 01:38:55,230
that I've seen are fairly convincing

2039
01:38:59,660 --> 01:38:57,240
that there's something something going

2040
01:39:03,110 --> 01:38:59,670
on here of predictive programming lies

2041
01:39:06,920 --> 01:39:03,120
and he is telling us something and how

2042
01:39:09,350 --> 01:39:06,930
he knows it 80 84 was when the first

2043
01:39:12,590 --> 01:39:09,360
film came out I believe and I think that

2044
01:39:15,890 --> 01:39:12,600
that's when that was about just a few

2045
01:39:18,590 --> 01:39:15,900
years after Hollywood had been

2046
01:39:21,950 --> 01:39:18,600
completely taken over by DARPA and the

2047
01:39:25,010 --> 01:39:21,960
CIA and all of that so I think you know

2048
01:39:28,490 --> 01:39:25,020
I think if this stage of the game you

2049
01:39:33,170 --> 01:39:28,500
have to kind of begin to surrender to

2050
01:39:36,170 --> 01:39:33,180
the idea that Hollywood is part of this

2051
01:39:37,940 --> 01:39:36,180
long-term scenario of sketching out a

2052
01:39:41,240 --> 01:39:37,950
future where they're trying to create

2053
01:39:43,850 --> 01:39:41,250
some kind of dystopian dictatorship a

2054
01:39:46,280 --> 01:39:43,860
couple of months ago I watched Back to

2055
01:39:48,650 --> 01:39:46,290
the Future again you know whenever it's

2056
01:39:52,520 --> 01:39:48,660
on I can't help but watch the film and

2057
01:39:54,620 --> 01:39:52,530
it's there and I watch it and I've from

2058
01:39:56,960 --> 01:39:54,630
the very beginning with the terrorist

2059
01:39:59,300 --> 01:39:56,970
scene with a you know the Volkswagen bus

2060
01:40:02,480 --> 01:39:59,310
at the mall out here in the valley from

2061
01:40:06,140 --> 01:40:02,490
that scene forward and all of the 9/11

2062
01:40:08,450 --> 01:40:06,150
references I cannot deal with the the

2063
01:40:10,400 --> 01:40:08,460
critics out there that say that this is

2064
01:40:14,540 --> 01:40:10,410
just coincidence and and that's it

2065
01:40:18,950 --> 01:40:14,550
you're imagining things when I am NOT it

2066
01:40:21,590 --> 01:40:18,960
is it is so well stated in the film that

2067
01:40:24,560 --> 01:40:21,600
how could we not go back and analyze

2068
01:40:26,570 --> 01:40:24,570
this so to the critics out there that

2069
01:40:28,340 --> 01:40:26,580
are saying that we are imagining

2070
01:40:32,390 --> 01:40:28,350
everything that we are seeing with these

2071
01:40:36,380 --> 01:40:32,400
references to 9/11 and terrorism what do

2072
01:40:41,750 --> 01:40:36,390
you say to those critics JD well I say

2073
01:40:42,680 --> 01:40:41,760
you know Twin Pines the the clock is 911

2074
01:40:45,680 --> 01:40:42,690
if you look at it

2075
01:40:48,260 --> 01:40:45,690
down and then it changes to when when

2076
01:40:50,959 --> 01:40:48,270
Marty comes back the the title of the

2077
01:40:52,820 --> 01:40:50,969
malls changed the name has changed you

2078
01:40:54,979 --> 01:40:52,830
know Marty McFly's floating around

2079
01:40:58,040 --> 01:40:54,989
upside down and he sees two twin towers

2080
01:41:00,140 --> 01:40:58,050
in the in the second installment you

2081
01:41:03,610 --> 01:41:00,150
know there's this these quote terrorists

2082
01:41:06,470 --> 01:41:03,620
that are stealing the the plutonium and

2083
01:41:08,030 --> 01:41:06,480
excuse me that that that are gonna

2084
01:41:09,890 --> 01:41:08,040
commit a terrorist act with this

2085
01:41:12,200 --> 01:41:09,900
plutonium the dr. Brown has stolen as

2086
01:41:13,640 --> 01:41:12,210
much trying to say and I mean so you've

2087
01:41:15,170 --> 01:41:13,650
got all these themes that are there

2088
01:41:18,260 --> 01:41:15,180
obviously there and there's quite a bit

2089
01:41:20,000 --> 01:41:18,270
of Kabbalistic imagery and influence you

2090
01:41:22,100 --> 01:41:20,010
know even in the first one you can see

2091
01:41:25,820 --> 01:41:22,110
very prominent all-seeing eyes placed

2092
01:41:27,680 --> 01:41:25,830
throughout the city in hill valley as

2093
01:41:31,610 --> 01:41:27,690
it's called which is kind of an ironic

2094
01:41:33,650 --> 01:41:31,620
name but yeah throughout throughout the

2095
01:41:35,000 --> 01:41:33,660
series you have these references and

2096
01:41:40,130 --> 01:41:35,010
again i just don't see how they could

2097
01:41:42,380 --> 01:41:40,140
all be coincidental I mean in any of the

2098
01:41:43,910 --> 01:41:42,390
Spielberg films that you watched I mean

2099
01:41:45,290 --> 01:41:43,920
they're all full of predictive

2100
01:41:47,090 --> 01:41:45,300
programming you know that's something I

2101
01:41:49,939 --> 01:41:47,100
cover in my book quite a bit is there's

2102
01:41:52,610 --> 01:41:49,949
a whole 80 pages of you know symbolism

2103
01:41:54,189 --> 01:41:52,620
in Spielberg films and we keep this is

2104
01:41:57,050 --> 01:41:54,199
about the tenth time we've referenced

2105
01:41:59,510 --> 01:41:57,060
predictive programming what is your

2106
01:42:03,290 --> 01:41:59,520
definition of predictive programming JD

2107
01:42:05,600 --> 01:42:03,300
I I would say that it's it can mean

2108
01:42:07,700 --> 01:42:05,610
different things but on this most basic

2109
01:42:09,950 --> 01:42:07,710
level it's it's a form of conditioning

2110
01:42:12,590 --> 01:42:09,960
that might be comparable to something

2111
01:42:15,200 --> 01:42:12,600
that you would find in studies of

2112
01:42:17,720 --> 01:42:15,210
psychological warfare so maybe a kind of

2113
01:42:19,820 --> 01:42:17,730
a military type technique but it also

2114
01:42:22,370 --> 01:42:19,830
has parallels to techniques in

2115
01:42:24,590 --> 01:42:22,380
advertising and marketing where you kind

2116
01:42:26,090 --> 01:42:24,600
of prime the pump get people ready for a

2117
01:42:28,370 --> 01:42:26,100
product you know a new iPhone or

2118
01:42:31,700 --> 01:42:28,380
something like that and then it can also

2119
01:42:34,040 --> 01:42:31,710
have deeper esoteric significations

2120
01:42:36,439 --> 01:42:34,050
where maybe you're trying to send a

2121
01:42:38,270 --> 01:42:36,449
message into the collective unconscious

2122
01:42:40,610 --> 01:42:38,280
it just kind of depends on what the

2123
01:42:42,580 --> 01:42:40,620
intention is j-dub what's your

2124
01:42:45,350 --> 01:42:42,590
definition of predictive programming

2125
01:42:48,229 --> 01:42:45,360
well pretty similar to that it's a

2126
01:42:50,720 --> 01:42:48,239
multi-faceted multi-leveled kind of

2127
01:42:53,419 --> 01:42:50,730
thing I think the most disturbing thing

2128
01:42:55,250 --> 01:42:53,429
about predictive programming is that

2129
01:42:56,090 --> 01:42:55,260
that means that the future is being

2130
01:42:59,570 --> 01:42:56,100
written

2131
01:43:03,160 --> 01:42:59,580
way way ahead of time by some mysterious

2132
01:43:08,180 --> 01:43:03,170
forces we're then using their influence

2133
01:43:10,820 --> 01:43:08,190
to go out to songwriters film makers TV

2134
01:43:16,850 --> 01:43:10,830
people novelists and getting them to

2135
01:43:19,670 --> 01:43:16,860
place the events of the future into what

2136
01:43:21,650 --> 01:43:19,680
they're doing in the present and you

2137
01:43:24,230 --> 01:43:21,660
know I don't know I find that like

2138
01:43:27,890 --> 01:43:24,240
really kind of disturbing a little bit

2139
01:43:29,900 --> 01:43:27,900
scary yeah I do too and and JD I agree

2140
01:43:34,300 --> 01:43:29,910
with you but I think Jay Widener is

2141
01:43:37,670 --> 01:43:34,310
exactly on point here in that I think

2142
01:43:40,160 --> 01:43:37,680
that these screenwriters and

2143
01:43:43,060 --> 01:43:40,170
scriptwriter storytellers in Hollywood

2144
01:43:46,250 --> 01:43:43,070
think they are assuming originality

2145
01:43:48,740 --> 01:43:46,260
right they are assuming this is creative

2146
01:43:52,550 --> 01:43:48,750
license but they don't realize it but

2147
01:43:53,960 --> 01:43:52,560
they are being given ideas that they

2148
01:43:56,390 --> 01:43:53,970
think are original to write into a

2149
01:44:00,050 --> 01:43:56,400
script that are actually events that

2150
01:44:02,000 --> 01:44:00,060
will play out in the future that's that

2151
01:44:05,120 --> 01:44:02,010
right there is disturbing at every level

2152
01:44:09,020 --> 01:44:05,130
except that we see a play out like with

2153
01:44:11,780 --> 01:44:09,030
neo and his passport into an in in in

2154
01:44:13,310 --> 01:44:11,790
the matrix and of course in and back to

2155
01:44:15,140 --> 01:44:13,320
the future and these aren't the only

2156
01:44:17,840 --> 01:44:15,150
films where this kind of stuff takes

2157
01:44:18,380 --> 01:44:17,850
place it happens oh yes it happens all

2158
01:44:23,420 --> 01:44:18,390
the time

2159
01:44:27,320 --> 01:44:23,430
wait when did you think now you said

2160
01:44:28,760 --> 01:44:27,330
1984 J Widener let me go over to JD on

2161
01:44:30,500 --> 01:44:28,770
this when do you think that the

2162
01:44:34,250 --> 01:44:30,510
symbolism started to creep into

2163
01:44:35,720 --> 01:44:34,260
Hollywood where it is now overt it is

2164
01:44:38,780 --> 01:44:35,730
you know it is something that isn't

2165
01:44:41,300 --> 01:44:38,790
imaginary now symbolism is everywhere in

2166
01:44:44,750 --> 01:44:41,310
films today when do you think it started

2167
01:44:46,660 --> 01:44:44,760
to take over I think from the from the

2168
01:44:48,680 --> 01:44:46,670
beginning there were always the

2169
01:44:50,480 --> 01:44:48,690
different competing factions in

2170
01:44:52,970 --> 01:44:50,490
Hollywood that we're trying to utilize

2171
01:44:56,270 --> 01:44:52,980
the power of the camera

2172
01:44:58,460 --> 01:44:56,280
and it's in its imagery for different

2173
01:45:01,550 --> 01:44:58,470
purposes so you had you know the Nazis

2174
01:45:03,560 --> 01:45:01,560
were very adept at filming rallies and

2175
01:45:07,820 --> 01:45:03,570
using you know the pretty high-tech

2176
01:45:08,950 --> 01:45:07,830
cameras at the time you had people in in

2177
01:45:11,740 --> 01:45:08,960
Hollywood that were very

2178
01:45:14,830 --> 01:45:11,750
good at selling different messages

2179
01:45:17,710 --> 01:45:14,840
related to propaganda or war films a

2180
01:45:20,380 --> 01:45:17,720
Howard Hughes back in the 20s would you

2181
01:45:23,320 --> 01:45:20,390
know make these really epic war

2182
01:45:25,570 --> 01:45:23,330
propaganda films like Hells Angels you

2183
01:45:28,780 --> 01:45:25,580
had Bolshevik filmmakers that were

2184
01:45:31,360 --> 01:45:28,790
making pretty outstanding propaganda

2185
01:45:33,670 --> 01:45:31,370
films as well so it just depends on what

2186
01:45:35,830 --> 01:45:33,680
the ideology is but you know this is

2187
01:45:38,230 --> 01:45:35,840
this has kind of been been there all

2188
01:45:40,810 --> 01:45:38,240
along but I think that what Jay is

2189
01:45:42,940 --> 01:45:40,820
getting at is this consolidation of

2190
01:45:44,890 --> 01:45:42,950
power on the part of the CIA and

2191
01:45:46,870 --> 01:45:44,900
Pentagon and what not is really what we

2192
01:45:49,170 --> 01:45:46,880
saw into the 80s and 90s because

2193
01:45:52,390 --> 01:45:49,180
especially during the 80s Reagan

2194
01:45:54,580 --> 01:45:52,400
allocated a whole bunch of money under

2195
01:45:57,580 --> 01:45:54,590
the idea under the aegis of building

2196
01:46:00,430 --> 01:45:57,590
America's defenses and and so you get a

2197
01:46:03,670 --> 01:46:00,440
lot of these specifically recruitment

2198
01:46:07,060 --> 01:46:03,680
type films in the 80s like stripes Top

2199
01:46:09,070 --> 01:46:07,070
Gun Navy SEALs and they just go on and

2200
01:46:10,690 --> 01:46:09,080
on and and the more you dig you find out

2201
01:46:12,010 --> 01:46:10,700
oh all these films are actually made you

2202
01:46:13,330 --> 01:46:12,020
know in consultation with the Department

2203
01:46:17,950 --> 01:46:13,340
of Defense but you can go all the way

2204
01:46:20,110 --> 01:46:17,960
back to Twilight Zone and you know

2205
01:46:21,760 --> 01:46:20,120
Twilight Zone episodes in the credits

2206
01:46:24,490 --> 01:46:21,770
list that they were made in consultation

2207
01:46:26,380 --> 01:46:24,500
with the DoD so it's gone on for a long

2208
01:46:29,740 --> 01:46:26,390
time it's really just kind of competing

2209
01:46:31,840 --> 01:46:29,750
factions and then consolidation and Jay

2210
01:46:34,900 --> 01:46:31,850
you said 1984 you've been talking about

2211
01:46:39,160 --> 01:46:34,910
symbolism in Hollywood for a long time

2212
01:46:41,290 --> 01:46:39,170
today when I see things like the

2213
01:46:43,570 --> 01:46:41,300
Simpsons cracking jokes about the

2214
01:46:46,420 --> 01:46:43,580
all-seeing eye right or the freemason

2215
01:46:49,540 --> 01:46:46,430
symbolism it's like they are cracking

2216
01:46:52,840 --> 01:46:49,550
jokes about the obvious state of

2217
01:46:56,350 --> 01:46:52,850
Hollywood cinnamon symbolism today is

2218
01:46:59,230 --> 01:46:56,360
there is there some dark room somewhere

2219
01:47:02,050 --> 01:46:59,240
a boardroom with guys sitting around it

2220
01:47:05,620 --> 01:47:02,060
going okay we need some more symbolism

2221
01:47:08,800 --> 01:47:05,630
here you know is this is this is this

2222
01:47:11,380 --> 01:47:08,810
done with intent no I don't think it's

2223
01:47:14,500 --> 01:47:11,390
that way at all I think what happened is

2224
01:47:16,660 --> 01:47:14,510
is that as you know Jays right this

2225
01:47:17,620 --> 01:47:16,670
thing's been going on from the beginning

2226
01:47:22,419 --> 01:47:17,630
because it's always been about

2227
01:47:30,580 --> 01:47:22,429
propaganda but I think you'll see that

2228
01:47:33,910 --> 01:47:30,590
there's less symbolism say pre 1975 then

2229
01:47:35,979 --> 01:47:33,920
you see after that Kubrick was using

2230
01:47:38,470 --> 01:47:35,989
symbolism I'm not saying he was in a lot

2231
01:47:41,680 --> 01:47:38,480
of other people were like Orson Welles

2232
01:47:46,270 --> 01:47:41,690
and others but it really ramps up after

2233
01:47:51,209 --> 01:47:46,280
75 to 1980 and I believe the reason that

2234
01:47:54,490 --> 01:47:51,219
is is because the films were the CIA

2235
01:47:57,040 --> 01:47:54,500
essentially took over Hollywood in that

2236
01:48:00,939 --> 01:47:57,050
time period and the filmmakers had to

2237
01:48:03,970 --> 01:48:00,949
resort to symbolism to get the secrets

2238
01:48:06,700 --> 01:48:03,980
out and the because they were now being

2239
01:48:09,490 --> 01:48:06,710
completely controlled so Roger

2240
01:48:12,070 --> 01:48:09,500
Robert Zemeckis is being completely

2241
01:48:14,890 --> 01:48:12,080
controlled by 84 okay not completely

2242
01:48:17,350 --> 01:48:14,900
controlled he hadn't gone in a total

2243
01:48:20,320 --> 01:48:17,360
effect by then but it was close so he

2244
01:48:24,250 --> 01:48:20,330
has inside information I'm surmising

2245
01:48:28,780 --> 01:48:24,260
here and he decides to make a comic book

2246
01:48:31,810 --> 01:48:28,790
kind of film in which he delivers inside

2247
01:48:34,570 --> 01:48:31,820
information in which the guys on the

2248
01:48:37,840 --> 01:48:34,580
inside aren't really paying attention or

2249
01:48:40,360 --> 01:48:37,850
they don't care and you know I'm not

2250
01:48:41,740 --> 01:48:40,370
sure what what effect this is going to

2251
01:48:44,140 --> 01:48:41,750
have except to prove that Robert

2252
01:48:47,439 --> 01:48:44,150
Zemeckis you know 20 years later was a

2253
01:48:49,959 --> 01:48:47,449
genius so I mean I don't know at this

2254
01:48:54,209 --> 01:48:49,969
point I just know that they're doing it

2255
01:48:57,430 --> 01:48:54,219
and I think the filmmakers are bereft of

2256
01:48:59,979 --> 01:48:57,440
the tools that they used to have to tell

2257
01:49:00,610 --> 01:48:59,989
a good story and tell things in the

2258
01:49:03,669 --> 01:49:00,620
right way

2259
01:49:05,890 --> 01:49:03,679
like Polanski did in Chinatown and so

2260
01:49:08,890 --> 01:49:05,900
they're resorting to symbolism to try to

2261
01:49:12,910 --> 01:49:08,900
tell their story in a covert way do you

2262
01:49:15,430 --> 01:49:12,920
guys do Chinatown we do oh man

2263
01:49:18,570 --> 01:49:15,440
today I'm good that's one of my favorite

2264
01:49:21,130 --> 01:49:18,580
it's one of those films that again I

2265
01:49:23,200 --> 01:49:21,140
watched it over and over and I'll watch

2266
01:49:27,160 --> 01:49:23,210
it tonight if it's on what about the

2267
01:49:30,220 --> 01:49:27,170
fifth element a fifth element we haven't

2268
01:49:31,720 --> 01:49:30,230
done how we decide to do that but it's a

2269
01:49:35,810 --> 01:49:31,730
great film it's got a lot of great I'll

2270
01:49:38,920 --> 01:49:35,820
chemicals symbolism in and a lot of

2271
01:49:40,670 --> 01:49:38,930
well kind of almost overt political

2272
01:49:43,340 --> 01:49:40,680
symbolism in it

2273
01:49:46,520 --> 01:49:43,350
Luke Bassam is one of the best JD yeah

2274
01:49:49,550 --> 01:49:46,530
yeah well I mean I think Mila Jovovich

2275
01:49:52,970 --> 01:49:49,560
is still pretty damn hot and so she had

2276
01:49:58,850 --> 01:49:52,980
it could be the the secret ether of all

2277
01:50:01,750 --> 01:49:58,860
hotness maybe I mean I think basalt is

2278
01:50:04,550 --> 01:50:01,760
hit-and-miss director I think you know

2279
01:50:07,820 --> 01:50:04,560
La Femme Nikita is good I think that

2280
01:50:09,950 --> 01:50:07,830
Fifth Element is good in many ways I

2281
01:50:12,710 --> 01:50:09,960
don't think Lucy's a very good film but

2282
01:50:14,060 --> 01:50:12,720
it certainly if you wanted to you could

2283
01:50:16,190 --> 01:50:14,070
do The Fifth Element because that really

2284
01:50:19,400 --> 01:50:16,200
is the philosopher's stone that's what

2285
01:50:23,480 --> 01:50:19,410
it means yes yes that's right and what

2286
01:50:26,230 --> 01:50:23,490
about I wanted to jump forward to Avatar

2287
01:50:28,630 --> 01:50:26,240
did you guys do that and break that down

2288
01:50:32,810 --> 01:50:28,640
yeah we did

2289
01:50:35,600 --> 01:50:32,820
that's it we we compare what we do is we

2290
01:50:37,610 --> 01:50:35,610
take apart both of Cameron's last two

2291
01:50:40,520 --> 01:50:37,620
films which are you know the first and

2292
01:50:44,480 --> 01:50:40,530
second greatest grossing films of all

2293
01:50:49,010 --> 01:50:44,490
times and we posit that Cameron is

2294
01:50:51,740 --> 01:50:49,020
asking a question in Titanic which is is

2295
01:50:55,280 --> 01:50:51,750
our world coming to an end and that he

2296
01:50:59,090 --> 01:50:55,290
answers it with avatar which is yeah

2297
01:51:02,000 --> 01:50:59,100
unless you make some serious changes now

2298
01:51:04,040 --> 01:51:02,010
what now there's there's something else

2299
01:51:07,360 --> 01:51:04,050
that I want to talk about before we get

2300
01:51:11,480 --> 01:51:07,370
to the break when it comes to Kubrick

2301
01:51:12,980 --> 01:51:11,490
and Jay if you remember last year I

2302
01:51:15,140 --> 01:51:12,990
brought you on to coast when those

2303
01:51:25,100 --> 01:51:15,150
alleged Kubrick interviews came out

2304
01:51:27,140 --> 01:51:25,110
right and the the okay sometimes I just

2305
01:51:30,970 --> 01:51:27,150
try to be protective of Kubrick and

2306
01:51:35,570 --> 01:51:30,980
because I love him so much but the the

2307
01:51:37,340 --> 01:51:35,580
possibility of this being part of our

2308
01:51:39,080 --> 01:51:37,350
reality and I'm talking about the faking

2309
01:51:42,800 --> 01:51:39,090
of the moon landings and that Kubrick is

2310
01:51:44,780 --> 01:51:42,810
involved in that it that one of the

2311
01:51:46,490 --> 01:51:44,790
greatest events in human history if not

2312
01:51:51,080 --> 01:51:46,500
the greatest may have been

2313
01:51:55,430 --> 01:51:51,090
just a hoax is a pretty serious affair

2314
01:51:58,640 --> 01:51:55,440
but I think that today it's it's being

2315
01:52:02,320 --> 01:51:58,650
at least now if not accepted talked

2316
01:52:05,150 --> 01:52:02,330
about as to the possibility of reality

2317
01:52:11,900 --> 01:52:05,160
what do you think about that I and and

2318
01:52:12,620 --> 01:52:11,910
is it does it tarnish kubrick I don't

2319
01:52:15,440 --> 01:52:12,630
think so

2320
01:52:18,620 --> 01:52:15,450
I think it adds to his greatness in a

2321
01:52:21,920 --> 01:52:18,630
way I mean he added you know it's proof

2322
01:52:24,710 --> 01:52:21,930
that filmmakers have to suffer the

2323
01:52:26,600 --> 01:52:24,720
military industrial complex and I think

2324
01:52:28,040 --> 01:52:26,610
we should take that into account with

2325
01:52:29,720 --> 01:52:28,050
all the other filmmakers that we're

2326
01:52:32,330 --> 01:52:29,730
talking about so if they're going to

2327
01:52:35,210 --> 01:52:32,340
take and compromise Stanly they're going

2328
01:52:37,730 --> 01:52:35,220
to take and compromise anyone they want

2329
01:52:40,130 --> 01:52:37,740
and you know they do in various ways

2330
01:52:42,260 --> 01:52:40,140
with him they did it with you know you

2331
01:52:45,650 --> 01:52:42,270
can have all the power you want you can

2332
01:52:47,300 --> 01:52:45,660
make any movies you want and he did it

2333
01:52:51,020 --> 01:52:47,310
and you know I think we can tell from

2334
01:52:53,030 --> 01:52:51,030
both Barry Lyndon and Eyes Wide Shut

2335
01:52:55,970 --> 01:52:53,040
that there's a lot of regret in there

2336
01:52:57,530 --> 01:52:55,980
and the shining also that there's a lot

2337
01:52:59,810 --> 01:52:57,540
of regret in there that he made a deal

2338
01:53:02,870 --> 01:52:59,820
with the devil and he wished he hadn't

2339
01:53:05,210 --> 01:53:02,880
and I think they all feel that way in

2340
01:53:06,950 --> 01:53:05,220
the end I think that's why I think

2341
01:53:10,070 --> 01:53:06,960
there's a lot of people that faked their

2342
01:53:12,460 --> 01:53:10,080
deaths and Hollywood and try to get away

2343
01:53:15,440 --> 01:53:12,470
from the system as fast as they can and

2344
01:53:18,140 --> 01:53:15,450
I'll blame him I was in Hollywood I I

2345
01:53:20,840 --> 01:53:18,150
was in the film business and I know the

2346
01:53:25,550 --> 01:53:20,850
rough and tumble of it and and it's

2347
01:53:28,100 --> 01:53:25,560
brutal JD do you think I hold Kubrick in

2348
01:53:30,740 --> 01:53:28,110
the highest of highest regards as does

2349
01:53:33,080 --> 01:53:30,750
every film school student in film school

2350
01:53:35,600 --> 01:53:33,090
in the world I don't want to tarnish

2351
01:53:38,570 --> 01:53:35,610
that but is this conversation that it

2352
01:53:40,430 --> 01:53:38,580
today is starting to become you know

2353
01:53:43,460 --> 01:53:40,440
taken a little bit serious does this

2354
01:53:45,470 --> 01:53:43,470
tarnish a Kubrick no because I think

2355
01:53:47,510 --> 01:53:45,480
what happens is that as you you get more

2356
01:53:50,150 --> 01:53:47,520
popular and your your films get get

2357
01:53:53,030 --> 01:53:50,160
noticed they they kind of make a deal

2358
01:53:55,130 --> 01:53:53,040
that you can't refuse right you're given

2359
01:53:57,629 --> 01:53:55,140
an offer you know maybe you can use the

2360
01:53:59,609 --> 01:53:57,639
Zeiss lens that's a million dollars but

2361
01:54:04,080 --> 01:53:59,619
you know you're gonna do things a

2362
01:54:06,959 --> 01:54:04,090
certain way so and I think maybe the

2363
01:54:09,510 --> 01:54:06,969
perfectionist that Kubrick was that

2364
01:54:12,180 --> 01:54:09,520
probably weighed on him as Jay said for

2365
01:54:14,339 --> 01:54:12,190
many years and you know there's a lot of

2366
01:54:15,689 --> 01:54:14,349
theories floating around about what

2367
01:54:17,700 --> 01:54:15,699
happened after he made Eyes Wide Shut

2368
01:54:18,419 --> 01:54:17,710
and I wouldn't be surprised if that's

2369
01:54:22,080 --> 01:54:18,429
not true

2370
01:54:26,910 --> 01:54:22,090
the yeah yeah exactly

2371
01:54:28,919 --> 01:54:26,920
with with that the guy that shot that

2372
01:54:31,649 --> 01:54:28,929
and I was in contact with him too as

2373
01:54:33,359 --> 01:54:31,659
well I shot him a couple of emails the

2374
01:54:37,770 --> 01:54:33,369
guy that shot that and now you have an

2375
01:54:39,930 --> 01:54:37,780
actor portraying Kubrick here they are

2376
01:54:41,850 --> 01:54:39,940
rehearsing the scenes I'm sure you guys

2377
01:54:43,859 --> 01:54:41,860
have seen the outtakes of it too as well

2378
01:54:46,979 --> 01:54:43,869
right Jay you've seen it right the

2379
01:54:52,229 --> 01:54:46,989
outtakes yeah they are rehearsing this

2380
01:54:55,680 --> 01:54:52,239
with the intent of a hoax but it is tied

2381
01:54:59,879 --> 01:54:55,690
into a pop-culture urban legend aspect

2382
01:55:02,520 --> 01:54:59,889
of Kubrick as well again I don't want to

2383
01:55:06,510 --> 01:55:02,530
tarnish Kubrick but they didn't care

2384
01:55:10,529 --> 01:55:06,520
about muddying up the name of Kubrick to

2385
01:55:12,839 --> 01:55:10,539
support the the the possibility of the

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01:55:17,250 --> 01:55:12,849
Apollo moon landing hoax do you

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01:55:19,109 --> 01:55:17,260
understand the paradox here aa little

2388
01:55:20,250 --> 01:55:19,119
trouble I'm not sure quite sure what

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01:55:22,770 --> 01:55:20,260
you're saying but I'm saving this

2390
01:55:25,410 --> 01:55:22,780
Kubrick wasn't involved in the in the in

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01:55:27,810 --> 01:55:25,420
the faking interview right no I'm saying

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01:55:30,569 --> 01:55:27,820
this they were they were creating a hoax

2393
01:55:35,100 --> 01:55:30,579
right they're creating a hosts interview

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01:55:37,770 --> 01:55:35,110
to support the urban legend of the moon

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01:55:40,950 --> 01:55:37,780
landing hoax so we have this paradox

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01:55:43,169 --> 01:55:40,960
here to keep this story out front and I

2397
01:55:45,930 --> 01:55:43,179
just found that totally in her and it

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01:55:49,819 --> 01:55:45,940
blew up like wildfire and it was it was

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01:55:52,350 --> 01:55:49,829
accepted for a while then it got doused

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01:55:54,720 --> 01:55:52,360
so yeah I think you're right I think it

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01:56:01,020 --> 01:55:54,730
was probably some kind of deep state

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01:56:03,330 --> 01:56:01,030
move to to kind of counter hoax the

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01:56:05,459 --> 01:56:03,340
theories that I've been putting forth to

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01:56:07,589 --> 01:56:05,469
first it comes out it looks like Kubrick

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01:56:09,270 --> 01:56:07,599
and then of course I never thought it

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01:56:10,750 --> 01:56:09,280
was cure because it doesn't have as New

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01:56:13,150 --> 01:56:10,760
York accent and that

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01:56:15,580 --> 01:56:13,160
and you know it turns out to be a hoax

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01:56:16,240 --> 01:56:15,590
oh then everything that I'm saying is a

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01:56:18,250 --> 01:56:16,250
hoax

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01:56:20,770 --> 01:56:18,260
and you get what they're doing here

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01:56:22,960 --> 01:56:20,780
that's exactly my point that's exactly

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01:56:25,420 --> 01:56:22,970
it and I found it fascinating and it did

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01:56:26,710 --> 01:56:25,430
man I I didn't take it hook line and

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01:56:28,180 --> 01:56:26,720
sinker but I just thought how

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01:56:31,420 --> 01:56:28,190
interesting that something this

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01:56:33,640 --> 01:56:31,430
intricate it's well shot right it's all

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01:56:37,060 --> 01:56:33,650
well done until you see the outtakes and

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01:56:40,750 --> 01:56:37,070
it kind of comes clear there now why

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01:56:42,850 --> 01:56:40,760
release the outtakes exactly and and

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01:56:44,800 --> 01:56:42,860
also if you go back and look that there

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01:56:47,080 --> 01:56:44,810
were websites and correspondence and

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01:56:49,240 --> 01:56:47,090
things that were setting up this that

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01:56:52,270 --> 01:56:49,250
was going on for quite a while it was a

2425
01:56:54,820 --> 01:56:52,280
it was pretty elaborate now when we come

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01:56:59,140 --> 01:56:54,830
back what I would like to do is I want

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01:57:01,660 --> 01:56:59,150
to talk about the totality of the

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01:57:04,380 --> 01:57:01,670
imagery coming out of Hollywood right

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01:57:07,420 --> 01:57:04,390
now and how they are setting us up for

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01:57:10,300 --> 01:57:07,430
et contact and some of the messages that

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01:57:12,400 --> 01:57:10,310
are going on there so let's do that why

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are we doing that because this is fade

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to black and that's what we talked about

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we will always spin this right into et

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on the game changer radio network and

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02:01:46,530 --> 02:01:43,379
[Music]

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02:01:48,180 --> 02:01:46,540
all right welcome back our guest tonight

2527
02:01:52,290 --> 02:01:48,190
Jay whitener and Jay Dyer their new

2528
02:01:54,359 --> 02:01:52,300
series Hollywood decoded and special

2529
02:01:58,080 --> 02:01:54,369
guest has joined the show Alex Jones and

2530
02:02:00,030 --> 02:01:58,090
Alex I wanted to ask you this with all

2531
02:02:03,359 --> 02:02:00,040
of the films that have been coming

2532
02:02:06,000 --> 02:02:03,369
outlet like the arrival and interstellar

2533
02:02:07,200 --> 02:02:06,010
and we have the Transformers and we can

2534
02:02:09,060 --> 02:02:07,210
go back to like the War of the Worlds

2535
02:02:10,320 --> 02:02:09,070
everything that Steven Spielberg has

2536
02:02:13,770 --> 02:02:10,330
made in the last 20 years

2537
02:02:15,840 --> 02:02:13,780
everything is talking about an ETA alien

2538
02:02:18,600 --> 02:02:15,850
connection and possible invasion of

2539
02:02:21,680 --> 02:02:18,610
planet Earth what do you think Hollywood

2540
02:02:23,580 --> 02:02:21,690
is actually trying to tell us yeah it is

2541
02:02:27,600 --> 02:02:23,590
unbelievable I have in front of me right

2542
02:02:30,660 --> 02:02:27,610
here now 17 stacks of news stacks and

2543
02:02:34,169 --> 02:02:30,670
stacks of articles cloaks unbelievable

2544
02:02:35,729 --> 02:02:34,179
the amount of alien propaganda the new

2545
02:02:36,629 --> 02:02:35,739
world order is coming folks

2546
02:02:38,280 --> 02:02:36,639
they're gonna they're gonna they're

2547
02:02:40,950 --> 02:02:38,290
gonna do it they're gonna do it they're

2548
02:02:43,530 --> 02:02:40,960
gonna release the bio weapons aliens are

2549
02:02:44,490 --> 02:02:43,540
coming down it's coming now do you

2550
02:02:48,750 --> 02:02:44,500
understand

2551
02:02:51,209 --> 02:02:48,760
see j-dub when you listen to Alec Terry

2552
02:02:53,310 --> 02:02:51,219
presents something that is pretty

2553
02:02:59,040 --> 02:02:53,320
obvious do you think Hollywood is trying

2554
02:03:02,490 --> 02:02:59,050
to send us that message I do I think

2555
02:03:06,510 --> 02:03:02,500
that they're prepping us for something

2556
02:03:09,990 --> 02:03:06,520
I'm not sure what but it looks like you

2557
02:03:11,910 --> 02:03:10,000
know I was talking to Steven Greer a

2558
02:03:14,040 --> 02:03:11,920
couple of months ago and he was telling

2559
02:03:17,160 --> 02:03:14,050
me that you know they're gonna fake an

2560
02:03:20,010 --> 02:03:17,170
alien invasion and that you know he

2561
02:03:23,120 --> 02:03:20,020
doesn't believe there's any evil aliens

2562
02:03:27,540 --> 02:03:23,130
and these things were the evil ones and

2563
02:03:30,899 --> 02:03:27,550
and us evil ones are gonna stage an evil

2564
02:03:33,720 --> 02:03:30,909
alien invasion and I don't know man it

2565
02:03:35,570 --> 02:03:33,730
could be true it certainly seems like

2566
02:03:38,149 --> 02:03:35,580
they're putting a lot of weight into

2567
02:03:40,859 --> 02:03:38,159
this whole idea of an alien invasion

2568
02:03:42,479 --> 02:03:40,869
well Alex let me one last question

2569
02:03:44,850 --> 02:03:42,489
before I let you go I know that you've

2570
02:03:48,660 --> 02:03:44,860
got a busy schedule in front of you but

2571
02:03:52,530 --> 02:03:48,670
is it the message that Washington wants

2572
02:03:53,370 --> 02:03:52,540
us to do is to unite and fight an alien

2573
02:03:59,560 --> 02:03:53,380
invasion

2574
02:04:01,810 --> 02:03:59,570
is it going to be orchestrated or do

2575
02:04:04,860 --> 02:04:01,820
they know something for real and that we

2576
02:04:07,720 --> 02:04:04,870
do have to unite and prepare for this

2577
02:04:10,150 --> 02:04:07,730
the only the only aliens I see are the

2578
02:04:12,760 --> 02:04:10,160
pot-bellied social justice warriors out

2579
02:04:15,010 --> 02:04:12,770
there in the street folks these people

2580
02:04:16,930 --> 02:04:15,020
that sell propelled stomachs the

2581
02:04:34,810 --> 02:04:16,940
pot-bellied aliens there are the ones

2582
02:04:37,180 --> 02:04:34,820
that come up to me a dire we love Alex I

2583
02:04:39,820 --> 02:04:37,190
can already see the email coming in

2584
02:04:44,800 --> 02:04:39,830
thank you for that that is the best Bill

2585
02:04:47,080 --> 02:04:44,810
Hicks impression you know I I have to

2586
02:04:48,960 --> 02:04:47,090
can we talk about Bill Hicks for a

2587
02:04:56,560 --> 02:04:48,970
second Jay do you mind

2588
02:05:01,060 --> 02:04:56,570
JD the the bill look biggest fan of Bill

2589
02:05:04,540 --> 02:05:01,070
Hicks ever and and his departing of this

2590
02:05:08,830 --> 02:05:04,550
earth broke my heart I was a huge Bill

2591
02:05:11,500 --> 02:05:08,840
Hicks fan and then when I saw these the

2592
02:05:16,210 --> 02:05:11,510
the evidence put forward about how Alex

2593
02:05:19,390 --> 02:05:16,220
Jones being Bill Hicks I had to step

2594
02:05:21,670 --> 02:05:19,400
back and wonder is this actually

2595
02:05:24,630 --> 02:05:21,680
possible about and now j-dub I know that

2596
02:05:28,090 --> 02:05:24,640
you have your your feelings on this

2597
02:05:31,780 --> 02:05:28,100
do you actually believe the evidence

2598
02:05:34,210 --> 02:05:31,790
that you have helped put forward yeah I

2599
02:05:37,360 --> 02:05:34,220
do actually I think I know Alex won't

2600
02:05:40,000 --> 02:05:37,370
have me on the show because of this and

2601
02:05:44,020 --> 02:05:40,010
I guess I have to take the hit for it

2602
02:05:48,160 --> 02:05:44,030
because of my beliefs but yeah I Bill

2603
02:05:51,370 --> 02:05:48,170
Hicks was going around in 1993 telling

2604
02:05:55,330 --> 02:05:51,380
everyone that we'll we needed was a Rush

2605
02:05:58,390 --> 02:05:55,340
Limbaugh from Hell and that's what Alex

2606
02:06:00,910 --> 02:05:58,400
Jones is he's Rush Limbaugh from hell he

2607
02:06:06,040 --> 02:06:00,920
has the same producer he's in the same

2608
02:06:09,180 --> 02:06:06,050
town they look the same and you know and

2609
02:06:15,420 --> 02:06:12,060
listen to a podcast a couple years ago

2610
02:06:18,060 --> 02:06:15,430
with a bunch of stand-up comedians and

2611
02:06:20,189 --> 02:06:18,070
it was a four or five guys some of them

2612
02:06:22,650 --> 02:06:20,199
famous of them not and they all agreed

2613
02:06:26,330 --> 02:06:22,660
that if Bill Hicks had become Alex Jones

2614
02:06:29,970 --> 02:06:26,340
because it's very hard when you hit your

2615
02:06:33,570 --> 02:06:29,980
you know your early 40s late 30s to keep

2616
02:06:35,400 --> 02:06:33,580
the to keep the thing going you tell

2617
02:06:37,770 --> 02:06:35,410
them the same stale jokes every night

2618
02:06:40,500 --> 02:06:37,780
and you're you know you're tired of the

2619
02:06:42,780 --> 02:06:40,510
game and like Robin Williams and

2620
02:06:46,020 --> 02:06:42,790
everybody else you look for another

2621
02:06:48,390 --> 02:06:46,030
venue and you become an actor or you

2622
02:06:51,060 --> 02:06:48,400
know a director or whatever like Woody

2623
02:06:53,760 --> 02:06:51,070
Allen became a director and you know I

2624
02:06:57,120 --> 02:06:53,770
think that Bill Hicks had reached the

2625
02:07:00,689 --> 02:06:57,130
end of his chain he decided I needed to

2626
02:07:03,870 --> 02:07:00,699
change what he says is no different than

2627
02:07:06,270 --> 02:07:03,880
what Bill Hicks is saying not really in

2628
02:07:08,160 --> 02:07:06,280
any way shape or form and they applied

2629
02:07:10,170 --> 02:07:08,170
Alex Jones is one you know Alex if

2630
02:07:12,840 --> 02:07:10,180
you're listening I applied what you say

2631
02:07:15,930 --> 02:07:12,850
and I applaud your audacity in your

2632
02:07:19,500 --> 02:07:15,940
bravery I don't want you to stop but I

2633
02:07:21,479 --> 02:07:19,510
think that you know it's time for you to

2634
02:07:23,850 --> 02:07:21,489
quit playing the game and kind of come

2635
02:07:26,910 --> 02:07:23,860
forward I will say this when you look at

2636
02:07:30,209 --> 02:07:26,920
Alex Jones do you see a 42 year old man

2637
02:07:34,110 --> 02:07:30,219
or do you see a 55 year old man yeah III

2638
02:07:36,840 --> 02:07:34,120
know it's it's hard to to step out that

2639
02:07:40,530 --> 02:07:36,850
far to accept something like this but

2640
02:07:42,510 --> 02:07:40,540
once you look at the stuff that is out

2641
02:07:45,510 --> 02:07:42,520
there the evidence and you do look at

2642
02:07:48,780 --> 02:07:45,520
the picture side by side and you start

2643
02:07:51,240 --> 02:07:48,790
to put this together you you can't you

2644
02:07:53,310 --> 02:07:51,250
can start to question it and I would

2645
02:07:55,020 --> 02:07:53,320
have never the first time that I had

2646
02:07:57,060 --> 02:07:55,030
heard you mention this and I went back

2647
02:07:59,670 --> 02:07:57,070
and looked at everything I thought no

2648
02:08:03,630 --> 02:07:59,680
way you know it's not even possible but

2649
02:08:06,870 --> 02:08:03,640
well let me tell you this Jimmy I asked

2650
02:08:09,360 --> 02:08:06,880
someone who has who is very high up in

2651
02:08:12,209 --> 02:08:09,370
the radio world someone that you've

2652
02:08:16,950 --> 02:08:12,219
heard of alright right and that's what I

2653
02:08:18,630 --> 02:08:16,960
said is Alex Jones Bill Hicks and he

2654
02:08:23,730 --> 02:08:18,640
looked at me he shrugged his shoulders

2655
02:08:28,050 --> 02:08:23,740
who says everybody knows that Alex Jones

2656
02:08:30,900 --> 02:08:28,060
man I went okay nevermind gotcha

2657
02:08:32,880 --> 02:08:30,910
I got it straight I'm done and I

2658
02:08:33,330 --> 02:08:32,890
believed it further than that yeah J

2659
02:08:35,460 --> 02:08:33,340
tired

2660
02:08:40,830 --> 02:08:35,470
have you checked have you checked out

2661
02:08:42,210 --> 02:08:40,840
any of this Bill Hicks Alex Jones I'm

2662
02:08:45,600 --> 02:08:42,220
gonna say conspiracy

2663
02:08:48,120 --> 02:08:45,610
have you checked it out yourself not

2664
02:08:51,030 --> 02:08:48,130
really or seriously I mean I think it's

2665
02:08:55,770 --> 02:08:51,040
kind of funny I'm not meaning to offend

2666
02:08:58,950 --> 02:08:55,780
J Weiner but I when I was back in the

2667
02:09:01,950 --> 02:08:58,960
early 90s I was big on watching stand-up

2668
02:09:04,860 --> 02:09:01,960
comedy and so I remember Bill Hicks back

2669
02:09:08,250 --> 02:09:04,870
when he was doing you know improv and

2670
02:09:11,160 --> 02:09:08,260
Laugh Factory and all those back in the

2671
02:09:14,670 --> 02:09:11,170
early 90s they would come on Lifetime

2672
02:09:16,350 --> 02:09:14,680
network and before there was Comedy

2673
02:09:18,480 --> 02:09:16,360
Central there was the comedy channel so

2674
02:09:21,030 --> 02:09:18,490
I remember watching Bill Hicks back then

2675
02:09:22,950 --> 02:09:21,040
and I mean you can find you know imagery

2676
02:09:24,840 --> 02:09:22,960
and pictures of Alex Jones during that

2677
02:09:26,730 --> 02:09:24,850
same time period night I don't really

2678
02:09:28,710 --> 02:09:26,740
think that to me it doesn't seem

2679
02:09:31,470 --> 02:09:28,720
possible but I think it's pretty funny

2680
02:09:33,330 --> 02:09:31,480
you shouldn't funny conspiracy after the

2681
02:09:36,600 --> 02:09:33,340
show tonight it's actually weird about

2682
02:09:39,530 --> 02:09:36,610
that is that the the pictures of Alex

2683
02:09:43,620 --> 02:09:39,540
Jones when he's supposedly young

2684
02:09:45,840 --> 02:09:43,630
actually don't really look like Alex

2685
02:09:49,260 --> 02:09:45,850
Jones out nights it's very strange

2686
02:09:51,060 --> 02:09:49,270
well yeah Jay Dyer after the show

2687
02:09:53,280 --> 02:09:51,070
tonight just go find a couple of

2688
02:09:56,130 --> 02:09:53,290
documentaries and and and just go and

2689
02:09:59,190 --> 02:09:56,140
look it's it's interesting I'll just say

2690
02:10:02,190 --> 02:09:59,200
that it's very interesting and look at

2691
02:10:04,170 --> 02:10:02,200
Andy Kaufman right and you watch man on

2692
02:10:09,690 --> 02:10:04,180
the moon and you look at some of the the

2693
02:10:12,540 --> 02:10:09,700
the ideas put forward there it's it's

2694
02:10:17,970 --> 02:10:12,550
kind of possible I mean Andy Kaufman is

2695
02:10:21,990 --> 02:10:17,980
probably alive today well if you read

2696
02:10:24,360 --> 02:10:22,000
actually the work of Myles Mathis he's

2697
02:10:26,760 --> 02:10:24,370
postulating that you know John Lennon is

2698
02:10:30,270 --> 02:10:26,770
named mark stay sir and he lives in

2699
02:10:32,640 --> 02:10:30,280
Michigan right and Michael Jackson faked

2700
02:10:35,280 --> 02:10:32,650
his death he'd learned how to do it from

2701
02:10:36,570 --> 02:10:35,290
Priscilla Presley because Elvis faked

2702
02:10:39,600 --> 02:10:36,580
his death and

2703
02:10:41,820 --> 02:10:39,610
I know this sounds all crazy but I know

2704
02:10:44,370 --> 02:10:41,830
people in Hollywood and believe me by

2705
02:10:47,460 --> 02:10:44,380
the time they get to be about 42 43

2706
02:10:50,130 --> 02:10:47,470
they're ready to book it man they don't

2707
02:10:54,080 --> 02:10:50,140
like it anymore well maybe it's time for

2708
02:11:02,490 --> 02:10:59,550
you look just like you let's go let's go

2709
02:11:07,620 --> 02:11:02,500
back to my original we'll put our

2710
02:11:10,770 --> 02:11:07,630
serious faces on JD with the way to get

2711
02:11:13,590 --> 02:11:10,780
a script greenlit today in Hollywood is

2712
02:11:17,100 --> 02:11:13,600
do an alien invasion film right that

2713
02:11:20,100 --> 02:11:17,110
that and it's week after week after week

2714
02:11:22,170 --> 02:11:20,110
after week that is what gets released

2715
02:11:25,350 --> 02:11:22,180
out of Hollywood and some of the biggest

2716
02:11:27,900 --> 02:11:25,360
films of the last two three four years

2717
02:11:32,190 --> 02:11:27,910
the blockbusters are all dealing with

2718
02:11:35,190 --> 02:11:32,200
that singular subject is there a message

2719
02:11:38,550 --> 02:11:35,200
here that they are trying to definitely

2720
02:11:41,070 --> 02:11:38,560
grind home yeah I think there's multiple

2721
02:11:44,850 --> 02:11:41,080
levels and layers of message involved in

2722
02:11:47,010 --> 02:11:44,860
that one of which is merely the fear of

2723
02:11:49,680 --> 02:11:47,020
the external threat you can go back to

2724
02:11:52,260 --> 02:11:49,690
the 40s and 50s and the sci-fi at that

2725
02:11:55,410 --> 02:11:52,270
time was really heavy with this theme

2726
02:11:58,230 --> 02:11:55,420
again why well I think it was to

2727
02:12:01,140 --> 02:11:58,240
associate in the minds of viewers just

2728
02:12:03,120 --> 02:12:01,150
simply fear of the beyond fear of the

2729
02:12:05,630 --> 02:12:03,130
unknown fear of the external threat so

2730
02:12:09,450 --> 02:12:05,640
that was you know Cold War period

2731
02:12:12,240 --> 02:12:09,460
Vietnam War whatever those kinds of

2732
02:12:15,120 --> 02:12:12,250
films that instill basic fear I think

2733
02:12:17,340 --> 02:12:15,130
I've always been useful from a mass

2734
02:12:19,620 --> 02:12:17,350
media psychological warfare perspective

2735
02:12:22,080 --> 02:12:19,630
as Bernays and Jacques you'll all and

2736
02:12:24,450 --> 02:12:22,090
various propagandists even say in their

2737
02:12:26,340 --> 02:12:24,460
writings and I think that on a deeper

2738
02:12:28,380 --> 02:12:26,350
level yes I think we're being primed for

2739
02:12:30,750 --> 02:12:28,390
the acceptance ultimately of a kind of

2740
02:12:32,310 --> 02:12:30,760
new religion that I think they're going

2741
02:12:35,070 --> 02:12:32,320
to try to foist on everybody that will

2742
02:12:37,350 --> 02:12:35,080
be kind of based on the idea of blending

2743
02:12:40,890 --> 02:12:37,360
Darwinism with some sort of alien

2744
02:12:44,130 --> 02:12:40,900
mythology when I left the theater Rita

2745
02:12:46,470 --> 02:12:44,140
and I after seeing the arrival my

2746
02:12:48,150 --> 02:12:46,480
comment actually the comments we were

2747
02:12:50,229 --> 02:12:48,160
thinking the same thoughts that we had

2748
02:12:53,470 --> 02:12:50,239
said to each other walking to the

2749
02:12:57,910 --> 02:12:53,480
Carr was there was way too much

2750
02:13:01,270 --> 02:12:57,920
information here it seemed like somebody

2751
02:13:05,830 --> 02:13:01,280
somewhere knows an awful lot and they

2752
02:13:09,040 --> 02:13:05,840
were are trying to put this in film for

2753
02:13:12,640 --> 02:13:09,050
the masses for those out there that may

2754
02:13:14,620 --> 02:13:12,650
not know anything about ufology about

2755
02:13:18,850 --> 02:13:14,630
some of our theories out there they were

2756
02:13:20,859 --> 02:13:18,860
all portrayed in this film do you think

2757
02:13:23,830 --> 02:13:20,869
that that's exactly what was going on

2758
02:13:27,180 --> 02:13:23,840
with the arrival I found it to be a very

2759
02:13:33,759 --> 02:13:31,839
JT there JT hate me I'm not you know I

2760
02:13:35,310 --> 02:13:33,769
did an analysis of arrival and it kind

2761
02:13:39,129 --> 02:13:35,320
of went viral I got to think about

2762
02:13:41,979 --> 02:13:39,139
300,000 views on that and I my view of

2763
02:13:44,529 --> 02:13:41,989
it is that I kind of see it as you know

2764
02:13:47,529 --> 02:13:44,539
the purpose of the film was that if you

2765
02:13:48,850 --> 02:13:47,539
don't all get together and form a global

2766
02:13:50,739 --> 02:13:48,860
government we're going to destroy you

2767
02:13:52,899 --> 02:13:50,749
and you can't you can't work together

2768
02:13:55,239 --> 02:13:52,909
and you don't deserve to live you know

2769
02:13:58,029 --> 02:13:55,249
this is kind of the the plot of that

2770
02:14:00,430 --> 02:13:58,039
original what is a Day the Earth Stood

2771
02:14:01,359 --> 02:14:00,440
Still I'll try the yeah if you if you

2772
02:14:02,680 --> 02:14:01,369
don't all come together if you don't

2773
02:14:03,669 --> 02:14:02,690
have a global government you can't

2774
02:14:05,770 --> 02:14:03,679
you're not gonna make it

2775
02:14:07,109 --> 02:14:05,780
that was what I took away from this film

2776
02:14:09,790 --> 02:14:07,119
and so I took a very critical

2777
02:14:12,040 --> 02:14:09,800
perspective because to me it just seemed

2778
02:14:14,350 --> 02:14:12,050
like the kind of fear-based

2779
02:14:16,000 --> 02:14:14,360
you know new world order type propaganda

2780
02:14:17,739 --> 02:14:16,010
that we're always given in these alien

2781
02:14:19,689 --> 02:14:17,749
films which is that you know if we don't

2782
02:14:20,290 --> 02:14:19,699
sign over everything to the global

2783
02:14:22,479 --> 02:14:20,300
government

2784
02:14:24,040 --> 02:14:22,489
oh the aliens are going to get us or the

2785
02:14:25,989 --> 02:14:24,050
commies are gonna get us or something

2786
02:14:28,890 --> 02:14:25,999
like that which you know just tends to

2787
02:14:32,439 --> 02:14:28,900
be to serve the the powers that be and

2788
02:14:34,509 --> 02:14:32,449
j-dub I for me again

2789
02:14:35,830 --> 02:14:34,519
I thought the arrival was a very very

2790
02:14:39,399 --> 02:14:35,840
important film

2791
02:14:41,589 --> 02:14:39,409
did you see it the same way I have to

2792
02:14:47,799 --> 02:14:41,599
say I saw the same weather JD saw it I

2793
02:14:50,799 --> 02:14:47,809
thought it was this kind of new thing

2794
02:14:54,250 --> 02:14:50,809
that Holly was been doing recently where

2795
02:14:55,779 --> 02:14:54,260
and I think actually from reading the

2796
02:14:59,009 --> 02:14:55,789
films that are coming out this is

2797
02:15:02,140 --> 02:14:59,019
actually going to increase but there's a

2798
02:15:03,329 --> 02:15:02,150
propaganda that we must all come

2799
02:15:07,259 --> 02:15:03,339
together

2800
02:15:11,579 --> 02:15:07,269
and the it's weird how the films are

2801
02:15:14,939 --> 02:15:11,589
aping like the UFO community and their

2802
02:15:18,059 --> 02:15:14,949
thing about super Federation and

2803
02:15:20,790 --> 02:15:18,069
Galactic Federation yeah waiting for us

2804
02:15:23,250 --> 02:15:20,800
to evolve to a certain level and then

2805
02:15:25,739 --> 02:15:23,260
they're gonna accept us in and of course

2806
02:15:28,290 --> 02:15:25,749
there's no evidence for any of this it's

2807
02:15:30,270 --> 02:15:28,300
just somebody who channelled it or heard

2808
02:15:32,669 --> 02:15:30,280
it through a dream or something

2809
02:15:36,719 --> 02:15:32,679
and you know I get kind of frustrated

2810
02:15:40,259 --> 02:15:36,729
with it because I don't I'm not really

2811
02:15:42,599 --> 02:15:40,269
much of a joiner so joining the New

2812
02:15:48,899 --> 02:15:42,609
World Order is not something that I put

2813
02:15:51,209 --> 02:15:48,909
a high premium on JD I wanted to I

2814
02:15:52,489 --> 02:15:51,219
wanted to do this at the beginning of

2815
02:15:55,290 --> 02:15:52,499
the show but that's the beauty of

2816
02:15:59,429 --> 02:15:55,300
unscripted live radio the conversation

2817
02:16:01,439 --> 02:15:59,439
goes where it's gonna go but with some

2818
02:16:04,679 --> 02:16:01,449
of the subjects that I deal with on this

2819
02:16:07,189 --> 02:16:04,689
show and and television and and and

2820
02:16:10,919 --> 02:16:07,199
coast to coast and so forth that I

2821
02:16:13,139 --> 02:16:10,929
always asked my guests first out of the

2822
02:16:15,929 --> 02:16:13,149
gate if they have ever seen anything

2823
02:16:18,299 --> 02:16:15,939
strange in the sky that they can't

2824
02:16:20,040 --> 02:16:18,309
explain and I didn't get to that with

2825
02:16:23,849 --> 02:16:20,050
you because we went off on a tangent

2826
02:16:25,709 --> 02:16:23,859
have you are you part of our circle have

2827
02:16:27,959 --> 02:16:25,719
you seen something in the sky that you

2828
02:16:32,299 --> 02:16:27,969
can't explain that was an epiphany for

2829
02:16:38,219 --> 02:16:35,129
that's a good question I've never been

2830
02:16:41,099 --> 02:16:38,229
asked that I've had a lot of weird

2831
02:16:43,410 --> 02:16:41,109
experiences but the only time that I can

2832
02:16:46,349 --> 02:16:43,420
think of seeing something that was

2833
02:16:48,330 --> 02:16:46,359
initially inexplicable was there's a

2834
02:16:50,849 --> 02:16:48,340
nearby kind of Nature Preserve where I

2835
02:16:55,200 --> 02:16:50,859
live and this was some years ago before

2836
02:16:56,910 --> 02:16:55,210
the the big push for drones came about I

2837
02:16:59,069 --> 02:16:56,920
remember I was driving through the

2838
02:17:03,269 --> 02:16:59,079
Nature Preserve one night and there was

2839
02:17:07,370 --> 02:17:03,279
absolutely 100% about 30 or 40 feet

2840
02:17:12,870 --> 02:17:07,380
above my car pretty elaborate looking

2841
02:17:14,700 --> 02:17:12,880
the unidentified object though that was

2842
02:17:16,369 --> 02:17:14,710
completely silent and I actually pulled

2843
02:17:18,619 --> 02:17:16,379
over got out

2844
02:17:20,239 --> 02:17:18,629
and I watch the object but I don't think

2845
02:17:22,429 --> 02:17:20,249
that it was anything alien because it

2846
02:17:24,169 --> 02:17:22,439
did have blinking lights this was a

2847
02:17:26,929 --> 02:17:24,179
background around two thousand five or

2848
02:17:28,819 --> 02:17:26,939
six and but it was before I knew there

2849
02:17:31,699 --> 02:17:28,829
was this big drone program so what I

2850
02:17:34,809 --> 02:17:31,709
actually and in the the the object

2851
02:17:37,699 --> 02:17:34,819
actually shot away at a very rapid speed

2852
02:17:40,129 --> 02:17:37,709
so what I think this was in my view was

2853
02:17:41,869 --> 02:17:40,139
just a kind of really advanced drone now

2854
02:17:44,419 --> 02:17:41,879
where they got this technology who knows

2855
02:17:46,549 --> 02:17:44,429
but that's what I think it was is a

2856
02:17:50,139 --> 02:17:46,559
completely silent almost hover style

2857
02:17:52,790 --> 02:17:50,149
drone that had pretty excessive speeds

2858
02:17:56,179 --> 02:17:52,800
wait a minute here let's pump the brakes

2859
02:17:58,879 --> 02:17:56,189
on this truck here for a second you said

2860
02:18:01,549 --> 02:17:58,889
thirty or forty feet above your car now

2861
02:18:06,229 --> 02:18:01,559
that's that's very very close how big

2862
02:18:08,750 --> 02:18:06,239
was it it wasn't it it wasn't big enough

2863
02:18:10,009 --> 02:18:08,760
for I mean I think it was a UAV I'm his

2864
02:18:13,369 --> 02:18:10,019
unmanned I don't think there was really

2865
02:18:16,669 --> 02:18:13,379
enough space for a guy to be in there if

2866
02:18:19,519 --> 02:18:16,679
it was it was a very cramped but

2867
02:18:22,639 --> 02:18:19,529
probably thirty or forty feet wide

2868
02:18:26,689 --> 02:18:22,649
we're there wings oh yeah exactly were

2869
02:18:28,790 --> 02:18:26,699
there wings yeah interesting but you

2870
02:18:30,379 --> 02:18:28,800
didn't hear anything no it's completely

2871
02:18:33,169 --> 02:18:30,389
silent I actually pulled over and got

2872
02:18:36,139 --> 02:18:33,179
out of the car that's antigravity yeah

2873
02:18:38,239 --> 02:18:36,149
that's antigravity that's exactly jay-j

2874
02:18:41,299 --> 02:18:38,249
knows where I'm going next that's

2875
02:18:43,269 --> 02:18:41,309
exactly that's we live we live near you

2876
02:18:46,849 --> 02:18:43,279
know there's some some pretty big

2877
02:18:49,189 --> 02:18:46,859
airborne bases hundred first airborne

2878
02:18:51,500 --> 02:18:49,199
around is around here so you know I feel

2879
02:18:53,029 --> 02:18:51,510
sure like that this was you know related

2880
02:18:56,479 --> 02:18:53,039
to something in terms of aerospace

2881
02:18:58,699 --> 02:18:56,489
technology but I but I've never since

2882
02:18:59,869 --> 02:18:58,709
seen any kind of drone technology

2883
02:19:03,139 --> 02:18:59,879
operate that way

2884
02:19:05,119 --> 02:19:03,149
well now you're a guy which means you

2885
02:19:06,679 --> 02:19:05,129
understand what you're looking at you

2886
02:19:09,799 --> 02:19:06,689
know if you're looking at a helicopter

2887
02:19:11,929 --> 02:19:09,809
or a jet or something military or a

2888
02:19:13,849 --> 02:19:11,939
fighter jet or a commercial jet you know

2889
02:19:17,209 --> 02:19:13,859
the differences of things because you're

2890
02:19:19,309 --> 02:19:17,219
a guy and that's what we do we know what

2891
02:19:21,529 --> 02:19:19,319
we're looking at but if you're telling

2892
02:19:24,169 --> 02:19:21,539
me that you didn't hear anything and

2893
02:19:26,929 --> 02:19:24,179
that it was silent now we're in an area

2894
02:19:29,629 --> 02:19:26,939
that you can't really explain so what

2895
02:19:32,540 --> 02:19:29,639
was that technology I haven't seen any

2896
02:19:35,620 --> 02:19:32,550
thing like that today in our air force

2897
02:19:38,540 --> 02:19:35,630
and I would think that you saw something

2898
02:19:41,209 --> 02:19:38,550
that was a black project or oh

2899
02:19:44,330 --> 02:19:41,219
absolutely yeah I mean I I have friends

2900
02:19:45,769 --> 02:19:44,340
you know military high level security

2901
02:19:47,000 --> 02:19:45,779
clearances and whatnot I asked them

2902
02:19:49,219 --> 02:19:47,010
about and they said yeah that was

2903
02:19:52,700 --> 02:19:49,229
probably you know one of the really

2904
02:19:55,490 --> 02:19:52,710
advanced drones that they have have one

2905
02:19:57,590 --> 02:19:55,500
guy that was in the design Blackhawks

2906
02:20:00,110 --> 02:19:57,600
and that was essentially what he what he

2907
02:20:02,210 --> 02:20:00,120
said it was so that's the best I could

2908
02:20:03,979 --> 02:20:02,220
think of what it would be but I mean it

2909
02:20:07,820 --> 02:20:03,989
took off like you know

2910
02:20:11,170 --> 02:20:07,830
it was a pretty unbelievable so probably

2911
02:20:14,990 --> 02:20:11,180
I mean you couldn't hear any kind of

2912
02:20:17,870 --> 02:20:15,000
propulsion so I don't know exactly how

2913
02:20:19,000 --> 02:20:17,880
it was powered but it could easily have

2914
02:20:22,490 --> 02:20:19,010
been something

2915
02:20:25,610 --> 02:20:22,500
anti-gravity yeah well if it hover over

2916
02:20:29,540 --> 02:20:25,620
under its the over-under at T Townsend

2917
02:20:32,360 --> 02:20:29,550
Brown where they have a capacitor that's

2918
02:20:34,939 --> 02:20:32,370
a hundred thousand charged to a hundred

2919
02:20:37,670 --> 02:20:34,949
thousand volts and then they opposed it

2920
02:20:39,950 --> 02:20:37,680
to a capacitor that has like charge of

2921
02:20:42,920 --> 02:20:39,960
twenty thousand volts and the hundred

2922
02:20:45,050 --> 02:20:42,930
thousand volt capacitor pushes against

2923
02:20:47,570 --> 02:20:45,060
the twenty thousand volt capacitor and

2924
02:20:49,429 --> 02:20:47,580
causes it to move and that's how these

2925
02:20:52,189 --> 02:20:49,439
things work and that's at they're

2926
02:20:57,019 --> 02:20:52,199
completely silent and they can bolt away

2927
02:21:01,399 --> 02:20:57,029
and very fast rate very that's an

2928
02:21:04,849 --> 02:21:01,409
interesting sighting I don't know how to

2929
02:21:06,979 --> 02:21:04,859
put that into words but that that's well

2930
02:21:08,929 --> 02:21:06,989
there know that I would drive through

2931
02:21:10,639 --> 02:21:08,939
this area quite a bit at night because

2932
02:21:12,559 --> 02:21:10,649
it was on the way to where my girlfriend

2933
02:21:14,660 --> 02:21:12,569
lived and so you would kind of see these

2934
02:21:16,550 --> 02:21:14,670
you know what looked like experimental

2935
02:21:18,229 --> 02:21:16,560
drones maybe darting about at night I

2936
02:21:21,439 --> 02:21:18,239
never really paid much attention to it

2937
02:21:23,059 --> 02:21:21,449
but this night it was really close to

2938
02:21:25,460 --> 02:21:23,069
the vehicle now I'm not saying that it

2939
02:21:28,040 --> 02:21:25,470
like stopped and hovered over my car in

2940
02:21:32,330 --> 02:21:28,050
one place but I'm saying it did have a

2941
02:21:35,660 --> 02:21:32,340
completely silent travel velocity it was

2942
02:21:37,309 --> 02:21:35,670
it was very very silent and and moved at

2943
02:21:39,290 --> 02:21:37,319
a very slow speed and then it almost

2944
02:21:41,620 --> 02:21:39,300
kind of like at a at a right angle kind

2945
02:21:45,099 --> 02:21:41,630
of took off up

2946
02:21:50,050 --> 02:21:45,109
when you hear Jade did I just interrupt

2947
02:21:52,149 --> 02:21:50,060
you j-dub no okay when you J when you JT

2948
02:21:54,819 --> 02:21:52,159
when you see something like that and you

2949
02:21:56,710 --> 02:21:54,829
hear all of the conspiracy things that

2950
02:22:00,489 --> 02:21:56,720
you know you write about a new we hear

2951
02:22:02,979 --> 02:22:00,499
about it black projects and and alien

2952
02:22:05,889 --> 02:22:02,989
technology and antigravity but you go

2953
02:22:07,540 --> 02:22:05,899
and you see something like that do you

2954
02:22:09,010 --> 02:22:07,550
step back and go well you know what I

2955
02:22:12,489 --> 02:22:09,020
guess there is something going on

2956
02:22:13,540 --> 02:22:12,499
because I've seen it for myself well I

2957
02:22:15,630 --> 02:22:13,550
think there's definitely something going

2958
02:22:18,309 --> 02:22:15,640
on I just don't I don't have any

2959
02:22:20,439 --> 02:22:18,319
definite thesis as to what it is other

2960
02:22:22,269 --> 02:22:20,449
than you know I think that ancient

2961
02:22:23,620 --> 02:22:22,279
mythology and ancient religions are

2962
02:22:27,219 --> 02:22:23,630
actually telling us probably a lot more

2963
02:22:29,469 --> 02:22:27,229
than anything that that comes out of the

2964
02:22:32,080 --> 02:22:29,479
mouth of the government so I definitely

2965
02:22:34,239 --> 02:22:32,090
don't believe the the establishment

2966
02:22:38,349 --> 02:22:34,249
official stories but I just don't really

2967
02:22:41,649 --> 02:22:38,359
have any definite opinion on what the

2968
02:22:43,479 --> 02:22:41,659
UFOs are other than that they do seem to

2969
02:22:45,460 --> 02:22:43,489
be some kind of advanced aerospace

2970
02:22:48,420 --> 02:22:45,470
technology that we're just not told

2971
02:22:51,370 --> 02:22:48,430
about dating the same way that you know

2972
02:22:53,109 --> 02:22:51,380
Isaac Asimov can talk about the internet

2973
02:22:54,849 --> 02:22:53,119
back in the 40s right I mean it's the

2974
02:22:58,630 --> 02:22:54,859
same type of thing but this is couldn't

2975
02:23:01,149 --> 02:22:58,640
just aerospace type stuff and but where

2976
02:23:03,370 --> 02:23:01,159
they get this knowledge well not many of

2977
02:23:07,349 --> 02:23:03,380
the elite talk about you know tripping

2978
02:23:10,540 --> 02:23:07,359
out on shrooms and LSD and talking to

2979
02:23:12,580 --> 02:23:10,550
entities so that maybe that's where they

2980
02:23:16,929 --> 02:23:12,590
get it do you think that there's the

2981
02:23:19,870 --> 02:23:16,939
possibility of a time travel being in

2982
02:23:21,939 --> 02:23:19,880
play here that it may not be et at all

2983
02:23:26,679 --> 02:23:21,949
it may be us coming back from the future

2984
02:23:31,120 --> 02:23:26,689
hanging out here well that's the thesis

2985
02:23:35,859 --> 02:23:31,130
of interstellar that's the Christopher

2986
02:23:37,779 --> 02:23:35,869
Nolan thesis maybe could be I I've never

2987
02:23:41,019 --> 02:23:37,789
really thought about that other than the

2988
02:23:43,290 --> 02:23:41,029
movie interstellar but I mean a lot of

2989
02:23:47,460 --> 02:23:43,300
the ancient religions talk about

2990
02:23:51,630 --> 02:23:47,470
hierarchies of angels and that they had

2991
02:23:53,730 --> 02:23:51,640
the ability to control space and time to

2992
02:23:54,240 --> 02:23:53,740
some degree so I suppose that could be

2993
02:23:57,929 --> 02:23:54,250
possible

2994
02:23:59,910 --> 02:23:57,939
yeah exactly I do too what we've we've

2995
02:24:02,760 --> 02:23:59,920
gone through phases right we have the

2996
02:24:05,730 --> 02:24:02,770
flying saucers of the 50s and and the

2997
02:24:08,670 --> 02:24:05,740
cigar motherships of the 60s and the

2998
02:24:14,010 --> 02:24:08,680
triangle aircraft and sightings in the

2999
02:24:16,559 --> 02:24:14,020
tr-3b and and today it has been you know

3000
02:24:17,910 --> 02:24:16,569
something more plasma related I don't

3001
02:24:20,099 --> 02:24:17,920
know if it's interdimensional but

3002
02:24:24,630 --> 02:24:20,109
there's certainly things that I have

3003
02:24:26,370 --> 02:24:24,640
seen personally that are of orb essence

3004
02:24:29,280 --> 02:24:26,380
and I don't know why we've gone through

3005
02:24:31,770 --> 02:24:29,290
all of these phases here III really

3006
02:24:33,690 --> 02:24:31,780
don't and and the sightings are by the

3007
02:24:37,830 --> 02:24:33,700
millions you know this isn't something

3008
02:24:40,710 --> 02:24:37,840
that in each decade it's and so you

3009
02:24:42,780 --> 02:24:40,720
can't discount what is going on why it's

3010
02:24:44,460 --> 02:24:42,790
happening today like it is I really

3011
02:24:46,530 --> 02:24:44,470
don't know III don't

3012
02:24:48,840 --> 02:24:46,540
J do you have any idea why we've gone

3013
02:24:51,780 --> 02:24:48,850
through J dub why we've gone through

3014
02:24:55,320 --> 02:24:51,790
these phases and today it seems to be

3015
02:25:00,240 --> 02:24:55,330
these these these orbs these these

3016
02:25:04,280 --> 02:25:00,250
glowing plasma type craft yeah well I

3017
02:25:09,179 --> 02:25:04,290
think that the the hard craft were

3018
02:25:12,389 --> 02:25:09,189
probably in the 50s and 60s experimental

3019
02:25:15,630 --> 02:25:12,399
models from the secret space program and

3020
02:25:17,880 --> 02:25:15,640
the antigravity programs not to say

3021
02:25:21,450 --> 02:25:17,890
there weren't aliens and all that but I

3022
02:25:26,059 --> 02:25:21,460
think what's going on now is that for

3023
02:25:30,570 --> 02:25:26,069
some reason there has been a sudden

3024
02:25:34,950 --> 02:25:30,580
activation of electromagnetic energy

3025
02:25:38,040 --> 02:25:34,960
forming these orbs which is seems to be

3026
02:25:41,849 --> 02:25:38,050
coming I mean it's happening everywhere

3027
02:25:44,550 --> 02:25:41,859
if you look at the famous NASA Space

3028
02:25:46,130 --> 02:25:44,560
Shuttle footage where they the tether

3029
02:25:48,719 --> 02:25:46,140
experiment where they roll the

3030
02:25:50,969 --> 02:25:48,729
electrical wire out of the space shuttle

3031
02:25:54,300 --> 02:25:50,979
and it rolls out into space for like a

3032
02:25:56,600 --> 02:25:54,310
mile and then all these these strange

3033
02:25:59,350 --> 02:25:56,610
orb light creatures

3034
02:26:04,070 --> 02:25:59,360
start gathering around the electric wire

3035
02:26:09,051 --> 02:26:04,080
and as if they're entirely intelligent

3036
02:26:14,211 --> 02:26:09,061
and they're made of electron magnetic

3037
02:26:15,950 --> 02:26:14,221
plasma and so I think we're we may in my

3038
02:26:19,310 --> 02:26:15,960
point of view I think that we may

3039
02:26:21,980 --> 02:26:19,320
actually be discovering a new creature

3040
02:26:24,620 --> 02:26:21,990
speech news type of creature yeah a new

3041
02:26:26,900 --> 02:26:24,630
species and it's starting to interact

3042
02:26:30,051 --> 02:26:26,910
with us in a big time way and it's

3043
02:26:34,820 --> 02:26:30,061
showing up in photographs and videos and

3044
02:26:37,761 --> 02:26:34,830
NASA videos and where I have a ranch

3045
02:26:40,761 --> 02:26:37,771
down in the San Luis Valley which is a

3046
02:26:43,940 --> 02:26:40,771
known for its highly unusual activity

3047
02:26:47,990 --> 02:26:43,950
and we see these kind of orb like

3048
02:26:50,780 --> 02:26:48,000
creature ships whatever they are we see

3049
02:26:52,310 --> 02:26:50,790
them all the time down there and I don't

3050
02:26:54,650 --> 02:26:52,320
know what they are I mean I've seen it

3051
02:26:57,650 --> 02:26:54,660
with my own eye and I can tell you that

3052
02:27:00,860 --> 02:26:57,660
they glow and they have a bluish pinkish

3053
02:27:04,370 --> 02:27:00,870
color and they seem to be intelligent

3054
02:27:06,740 --> 02:27:04,380
and we know James Gillian can call him

3055
02:27:10,310 --> 02:27:06,750
forth from his ranch there in the

3056
02:27:11,751 --> 02:27:10,320
northwest and again he just goes out at

3057
02:27:13,671 --> 02:27:11,761
night he starts calling you and they

3058
02:27:16,671 --> 02:27:13,681
just start coming out of the mountains

3059
02:27:18,890 --> 02:27:16,681
and appearing and what they are I can't

3060
02:27:20,600 --> 02:27:18,900
tell you I know they're highly

3061
02:27:23,360 --> 02:27:20,610
intelligent whatever they are yeah I

3062
02:27:26,360 --> 02:27:23,370
just spent five days up at Gilliland's

3063
02:27:29,390 --> 02:27:26,370
Ranch last month and I got to tell you

3064
02:27:31,761 --> 02:27:29,400
it was like the last scene in Close

3065
02:27:35,751 --> 02:27:31,771
Encounters that's exactly what it was

3066
02:27:37,910 --> 02:27:35,761
like up there I very bad man it's

3067
02:27:39,860 --> 02:27:37,920
absolutely fascinating all right we got

3068
02:27:42,980 --> 02:27:39,870
30 seconds left what's the next episode

3069
02:27:45,350 --> 02:27:42,990
what film are you guys doing next 2001 a

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Space Odyssey oh man how come I'm not

3071
02:27:50,870 --> 02:27:48,990
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3072
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all right all right you'll be a next

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widenar J Dyer thank you guys so much

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3088
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3173
02:33:02,960 --> 02:32:54,610
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3174
02:33:17,490 --> 02:33:06,660
it's not a lifestyle we chose we were

3175
02:33:22,270 --> 02:33:17,500
born this way k GRA radio.com this is KJ

3176
02:33:22,280 --> 02:33:35,019
[Music]

3177
02:33:39,349 --> 02:33:37,309
welcome back fade the block I mean host

3178
02:33:43,250 --> 02:33:39,359
Jimmy Church want to thank J Dyer and J

3179
02:33:45,830 --> 02:33:43,260
Widener for coming in great conversation

3180
02:33:48,139 --> 02:33:45,840
and their new series on guy TV and go to

3181
02:33:51,410 --> 02:33:48,149
geico.com and check it out right there

3182
02:33:55,099 --> 02:33:51,420
it's it's really good and the first

3183
02:33:58,160 --> 02:33:55,109
episode on the matrix it forces you into

3184
02:34:02,059 --> 02:33:58,170
just rethinking what is actually going

3185
02:34:03,889 --> 02:34:02,069
on there but it's it's it's really well

3186
02:34:06,050 --> 02:34:03,899
presented so you should go and check it

3187
02:34:10,099 --> 02:34:06,060
out the the thing that I tripped out on

3188
02:34:12,109 --> 02:34:10,109
the most when I made when my mind opened

3189
02:34:15,109 --> 02:34:12,119
up on the matrix because I did look at

3190
02:34:17,599 --> 02:34:15,119
the matrix for so long you know for

3191
02:34:19,609 --> 02:34:17,609
about a year and I when the DVD came out

3192
02:34:21,920 --> 02:34:19,619
I watched it over and over again and I

3193
02:34:23,000 --> 02:34:21,930
was trying to figure it out I knew that

3194
02:34:25,099 --> 02:34:23,010
there was something there

3195
02:34:27,830 --> 02:34:25,109
I loved it just as a science fiction

3196
02:34:31,189 --> 02:34:27,840
film right it was just great it was it

3197
02:34:33,559 --> 02:34:31,199
was just cool but I started to see

3198
02:34:36,859 --> 02:34:33,569
something there and I did

3199
02:34:39,410 --> 02:34:36,869
I broke the film down I would sit and

3200
02:34:43,130 --> 02:34:39,420
watch scene after scene transcribing the

3201
02:34:45,080 --> 02:34:43,140
scenes reading what was going on going

3202
02:34:47,599 --> 02:34:45,090
back watching the film again my

3203
02:34:50,899 --> 02:34:47,609
transcription reading that trying to

3204
02:34:54,130 --> 02:34:50,909
trying to figure it out and when it

3205
02:34:58,069 --> 02:34:54,140
opened up for me and I'd started to

3206
02:35:00,229 --> 02:34:58,079
understand the ones and zeroes aspect of

3207
02:35:05,149 --> 02:35:00,239
it and the code that was being fed

3208
02:35:07,519 --> 02:35:05,159
across the screen and that that neo was

3209
02:35:12,469 --> 02:35:07,529
you know obviously now we understand

3210
02:35:14,660 --> 02:35:12,479
this living in living in an artificial

3211
02:35:17,330 --> 02:35:14,670
world and artificial existence and that

3212
02:35:19,670 --> 02:35:17,340
everything that that he thought was real

3213
02:35:22,580 --> 02:35:19,680
wasn't and of course when he woke up and

3214
02:35:25,189 --> 02:35:22,590
they started to explain this to him and

3215
02:35:27,139 --> 02:35:25,199
the red pill and the blue pill and and

3216
02:35:29,420 --> 02:35:27,149
he goes through the transformation and

3217
02:35:32,300 --> 02:35:29,430
they redo his muscles and his skeletal

3218
02:35:34,519 --> 02:35:32,310
so everything had atrophied and he wakes

3219
02:35:38,090 --> 02:35:34,529
up and they hit him with this it's

3220
02:35:41,029 --> 02:35:38,100
exactly his reaction is exactly what

3221
02:35:44,960 --> 02:35:41,039
anybody else would have gone through but

3222
02:35:47,131 --> 02:35:44,970
it it's interesting today that that

3223
02:35:49,680 --> 02:35:47,141
exact aspect of the film

3224
02:35:53,430 --> 02:35:49,690
which is the central core of the film is

3225
02:35:56,251 --> 02:35:53,440
what is being discussed today in purely

3226
02:35:58,640 --> 02:35:56,261
scientific circles and engineering

3227
02:36:04,890 --> 02:35:58,650
circles across the country and certainly

3228
02:36:07,440 --> 02:36:04,900
at DARPA Silicon Valley and that these

3229
02:36:11,190 --> 02:36:07,450
very brilliant minds out there

3230
02:36:13,350 --> 02:36:11,200
are are proposing to us that that is

3231
02:36:17,341 --> 02:36:13,360
exactly what is going on today

3232
02:36:20,041 --> 02:36:17,351
frightening yes Wow that me sitting here

3233
02:36:24,171 --> 02:36:20,051
right in the studio speaking on this

3234
02:36:28,501 --> 02:36:24,181
microphone to all of you is not real

3235
02:36:31,831 --> 02:36:28,511
right that possibility and I go back to

3236
02:36:33,600 --> 02:36:31,841
ciphers famous scene where he's holding

3237
02:36:35,430 --> 02:36:33,610
up the stake and he's looking at the

3238
02:36:38,070 --> 02:36:35,440
stake and he says you know I see that

3239
02:36:41,541 --> 02:36:38,080
it's juicy and it innit

3240
02:36:44,910 --> 02:36:41,551
but he knows that it's not real that's

3241
02:36:47,131 --> 02:36:44,920
fascinating fascinating think about that

3242
02:36:50,400 --> 02:36:47,141
all right phone lines are open three two

3243
02:36:52,560 --> 02:36:50,410
three eight to five five zero four or

3244
02:36:55,640 --> 02:36:52,570
five or three to three to seven five

3245
02:37:00,390 --> 02:36:55,650
nine six nine five during the

3246
02:37:04,680 --> 02:37:00,400
conversation tonight I'm looking at the

3247
02:37:10,291 --> 02:37:04,690
live shots of Houston and and Texas and

3248
02:37:12,810 --> 02:37:10,301
I'm just blown away by the outpouring of

3249
02:37:15,270 --> 02:37:12,820
humanity and all of these boats and and

3250
02:37:18,060 --> 02:37:15,280
the rescue efforts that are continuing

3251
02:37:21,270 --> 02:37:18,070
on through the night the latest reports

3252
02:37:24,900 --> 02:37:21,280
right now out of Houston is that there

3253
02:37:27,240 --> 02:37:24,910
are 8,000 people in shelters I'm

3254
02:37:31,620 --> 02:37:27,250
astonished that that number is that low

3255
02:37:33,450 --> 02:37:31,630
looking at these the film that is the

3256
02:37:35,730 --> 02:37:33,460
live feeds coming out of Houston right

3257
02:37:38,940 --> 02:37:35,740
now our our thoughts and prayers are

3258
02:37:42,480 --> 02:37:38,950
with everybody in the state of Texas it

3259
02:37:46,950 --> 02:37:42,490
is absolutely heartbreaking mind blowing

3260
02:37:50,160 --> 02:37:46,960
but at the same time the fact that it's

3261
02:37:53,070 --> 02:37:50,170
it's not as catastrophic at is you know

3262
02:37:55,320 --> 02:37:53,080
the property loss and all of that it's

3263
02:37:58,230 --> 02:37:55,330
it's it's you can't put a measure on it

3264
02:38:00,211 --> 02:37:58,240
but it could have been worse and that's

3265
02:38:00,841 --> 02:38:00,221
the crazy thought right there it could

3266
02:38:02,640 --> 02:38:00,851
have been a

3267
02:38:04,610 --> 02:38:02,650
worse let's go to the phones hi your

3268
02:38:08,150 --> 02:38:04,620
life I'm fade to black who's calling

3269
02:38:10,591 --> 02:38:08,160
hey Jimmy Scott hey Scott how are you

3270
02:38:13,190 --> 02:38:10,601
doing good my friend how are you I'm

3271
02:38:15,720 --> 02:38:13,200
doing good great conversation tonight

3272
02:38:18,900 --> 02:38:15,730
yeah you know it's interesting I listen

3273
02:38:20,011 --> 02:38:18,910
to you all week and weekend long and I

3274
02:38:22,321 --> 02:38:20,021
just can't believe you're still standing

3275
02:38:28,321 --> 02:38:22,331
on two feet yes and we do this every

3276
02:38:30,480 --> 02:38:28,331
week man it never stops no no no when we

3277
02:38:32,791 --> 02:38:30,490
get to Monday when we get to Monday

3278
02:38:35,491 --> 02:38:32,801
Scott after the last couple of weeks

3279
02:38:39,421 --> 02:38:35,501
that we've had you know we we were up at

3280
02:38:41,730 --> 02:38:39,431
Mount Shasta and the week that we had

3281
02:38:44,131 --> 02:38:41,740
before that leading up to Shasta going

3282
02:38:45,631 --> 02:38:44,141
up to Shasta coming back here doing the

3283
02:38:47,701 --> 02:38:45,641
the week that we did here and then

3284
02:38:50,360 --> 02:38:47,711
turning around and and working all

3285
02:38:53,551 --> 02:38:50,370
weekend and lining on our feet on Monday

3286
02:38:55,711 --> 02:38:53,561
the energy comes from all of you I am

3287
02:38:58,140 --> 02:38:55,721
ready you know to have Jay wider and Jay

3288
02:39:00,211 --> 02:38:58,150
Dyer on the show and knowing about the

3289
02:39:02,791 --> 02:39:00,221
week that we have ahead we just do it

3290
02:39:06,631 --> 02:39:02,801
this is a we're going on our fifth year

3291
02:39:10,140 --> 02:39:06,641
of this without any vacations any breaks

3292
02:39:12,031 --> 02:39:10,150
our foot is on the gas every single day

3293
02:39:14,161 --> 02:39:12,041
we don't stop and we do it for the

3294
02:39:16,741 --> 02:39:14,171
audience you know this is a family that

3295
02:39:19,171 --> 02:39:16,751
we have Jimmy you're like a rock and

3296
02:39:20,610 --> 02:39:19,181
roll star man I tell you got involved in

3297
02:39:22,440 --> 02:39:20,620
the music business and then you move it

3298
02:39:24,541 --> 02:39:22,450
into this that's a quite a transition

3299
02:39:27,180 --> 02:39:24,551
and you keep putting the pedal to the

3300
02:39:29,881 --> 02:39:27,190
metal you know what I almost brought I'm

3301
02:39:35,161 --> 02:39:29,891
glad that you called it I almost brought

3302
02:39:37,230 --> 02:39:35,171
up tonight with with Jay and Jay this

3303
02:39:41,211 --> 02:39:37,240
aspect of Hollywood that isn't talked

3304
02:39:43,801 --> 02:39:41,221
about much but when I first got here I

3305
02:39:45,690 --> 02:39:43,811
hanging out on the strip and going to

3306
02:39:47,430 --> 02:39:45,700
the parties up in the Hollywood Hills we

3307
02:39:50,041 --> 02:39:47,440
want name names or things like that I'm

3308
02:39:54,650 --> 02:39:50,051
not going to go there I've got one yeah

3309
02:40:01,650 --> 02:39:59,730
yes yes yes yeah that car still floats

3310
02:40:07,381 --> 02:40:01,660
around on Santa Monica Boulevard but

3311
02:40:09,060 --> 02:40:07,391
anyway okay so yes the the parties that

3312
02:40:12,070 --> 02:40:09,070
were going on up in the hills and

3313
02:40:15,310 --> 02:40:12,080
hanging out I had

3314
02:40:16,930 --> 02:40:15,320
more than once some people in the music

3315
02:40:20,140 --> 02:40:16,940
industry that had come up to me going

3316
02:40:22,570 --> 02:40:20,150
okay man now to get your record deal to

3317
02:40:24,880 --> 02:40:22,580
do the things that you want to do there

3318
02:40:27,011 --> 02:40:24,890
is a circle of people here that you've

3319
02:40:31,090 --> 02:40:27,021
got to that you know get involved with

3320
02:40:34,750 --> 02:40:31,100
and or if you don't want that success

3321
02:40:38,560 --> 02:40:34,760
then you're not gonna run in this circle

3322
02:40:41,710 --> 02:40:38,570
but it is dark and the ABC and D goes on

3323
02:40:44,290 --> 02:40:41,720
and you have to be ready to to do that

3324
02:40:48,040 --> 02:40:44,300
for success and I what I wouldn't I

3325
02:40:50,770 --> 02:40:48,050
wouldn't sell myself to the devil but I

3326
02:40:53,710 --> 02:40:50,780
laughed about it see that's the thing I

3327
02:40:57,940 --> 02:40:53,720
thought now that stuff doesn't go on

3328
02:41:02,350 --> 02:40:57,950
here and sure enough as the as the time

3329
02:41:06,130 --> 02:41:02,360
rolled by this stuff turned out to be

3330
02:41:08,980 --> 02:41:06,140
true in a blue mind line did you hear

3331
02:41:12,070 --> 02:41:08,990
those same rumors and stories when you

3332
02:41:15,340 --> 02:41:12,080
got to Hollywood Jimmy I came out here

3333
02:41:16,960 --> 02:41:15,350
from Indiana Michigan area and I came

3334
02:41:19,120 --> 02:41:16,970
out of Burkle school music and came out

3335
02:41:21,160 --> 02:41:19,130
here to dicker old school music was

3336
02:41:24,340 --> 02:41:21,170
being trained by Seth Riggs a vocalist

3337
02:41:26,290 --> 02:41:24,350
coach that trained Vince Neil Michael

3338
02:41:29,530 --> 02:41:26,300
Jackson you have great vocal coach

3339
02:41:31,750 --> 02:41:29,540
absolutely and I got I got into this and

3340
02:41:36,130 --> 02:41:31,760
I loved the entertainment of it all and

3341
02:41:38,560 --> 02:41:36,140
I just was a pure clean kid I drank but

3342
02:41:40,900 --> 02:41:38,570
I did not do drugs it didn't smoke pot

3343
02:41:43,840 --> 02:41:40,910
didn't do ass it didn't drop mushrooms

3344
02:41:46,720 --> 02:41:43,850
any of that stuff and I just I wanted to

3345
02:41:48,580 --> 02:41:46,730
make it as a rock and roll star and I've

3346
02:41:50,080 --> 02:41:48,590
gotten a band called London I don't know

3347
02:41:54,460 --> 02:41:50,090
if you remember last course come of

3348
02:41:56,740 --> 02:41:54,470
course and London was was Steven Adler

3349
02:41:59,710 --> 02:41:56,750
was in there and Izzy Stradlin and I got

3350
02:42:01,390 --> 02:41:59,720
to that first rehearsal they were

3351
02:42:03,430 --> 02:42:01,400
staring up at the sky and I'm like when

3352
02:42:05,770 --> 02:42:03,440
winters looking at and it just dropped

3353
02:42:08,770 --> 02:42:05,780
some blotter acid and that was my first

3354
02:42:10,780 --> 02:42:08,780
initiation into Hollywood going where am

3355
02:42:12,011 --> 02:42:10,790
I going with this are these people for

3356
02:42:14,980 --> 02:42:12,021
real are we going to make it some work

3357
02:42:17,410 --> 02:42:14,990
when I got a little bit further down the

3358
02:42:19,480 --> 02:42:17,420
road with Saint Valentine then it was

3359
02:42:21,850 --> 02:42:19,490
Kenny Austin on all these people making

3360
02:42:23,950 --> 02:42:21,860
promises go over and seeing my

3361
02:42:25,010 --> 02:42:23,960
girlfriend go do this go do that and I'm

3362
02:42:27,380 --> 02:42:25,020
like going oh

3363
02:42:29,359 --> 02:42:27,390
what asking you to do and all these

3364
02:42:30,529 --> 02:42:29,369
promises that I just said this is crazy

3365
02:42:32,300 --> 02:42:30,539
I'm not going to do this

3366
02:42:35,029 --> 02:42:32,310
I never went down there Jimmy and that

3367
02:42:37,309 --> 02:42:35,039
was a big problem yeah and and I heard

3368
02:42:41,059 --> 02:42:37,319
all of these stories you know going on

3369
02:42:43,219 --> 02:42:41,069
and and I chose to you know blaze my own

3370
02:42:46,490 --> 02:42:43,229
path and do my own thing and create my

3371
02:42:50,750 --> 02:42:46,500
own reality and I was successful in that

3372
02:42:52,729 --> 02:42:50,760
but the other things that the decisions

3373
02:42:54,830 --> 02:42:52,739
that were being made and played out in

3374
02:42:57,469 --> 02:42:54,840
Hollywood around me I don't know how

3375
02:42:59,599 --> 02:42:57,479
much was was true or not but these

3376
02:43:02,929 --> 02:42:59,609
rumors were going around and the same

3377
02:43:06,859 --> 02:43:02,939
thing that applies to the music industry

3378
02:43:09,469 --> 02:43:06,869
applies to the film industry and and I

3379
02:43:13,240 --> 02:43:09,479
had a lot of friends that were actors

3380
02:43:18,590 --> 02:43:13,250
that were telling me some pretty crazy

3381
02:43:21,710 --> 02:43:18,600
things right and as as time one of Jimmy

3382
02:43:23,120 --> 02:43:21,720
I don't want to cut you off you're on my

3383
02:43:24,859 --> 02:43:23,130
I live up wooden hills

3384
02:43:28,010 --> 02:43:24,869
one of my neighbors believed in all his

3385
02:43:31,790 --> 02:43:28,020
slash my other neighbor is Peter Lauer

3386
02:43:33,649 --> 02:43:31,800
he is a producer mm-hm and basically

3387
02:43:37,269 --> 02:43:33,659
what he has told me he was trying to

3388
02:43:40,929 --> 02:43:37,279
write a thing called UFOs over Topanga

3389
02:43:44,240 --> 02:43:40,939
but when he started writing this

3390
02:43:46,370 --> 02:43:44,250
monologue they told him to stop they

3391
02:43:48,559 --> 02:43:46,380
didn't want him to write it I don't know

3392
02:43:50,689 --> 02:43:48,569
what happened over to pagan whatever

3393
02:43:52,969 --> 02:43:50,699
made him do it but we go bike riding let

3394
02:43:55,460 --> 02:43:52,979
me tell me that these people in

3395
02:43:58,309 --> 02:43:55,470
Hollywood told him you are did not write

3396
02:44:02,359 --> 02:43:58,319
any more on this topic of UFOs over

3397
02:44:05,059 --> 02:44:02,369
Topanga interesting that is very

3398
02:44:07,460 --> 02:44:05,069
interesting and I was like what now did

3399
02:44:10,630 --> 02:44:07,470
he give you a reason or he was just told

3400
02:44:13,490 --> 02:44:10,640
to stop he was just told to stop he said

3401
02:44:15,920 --> 02:44:13,500
you're not allowed to write this UFOs

3402
02:44:17,750 --> 02:44:15,930
over Topanga there's a book apparently

3403
02:44:19,340 --> 02:44:17,760
written but he wanted to write it he

3404
02:44:21,170 --> 02:44:19,350
wanted to script this movie and Peter

3405
02:44:23,450 --> 02:44:21,180
laughs you look him up he's prominent

3406
02:44:26,929 --> 02:44:23,460
mm-hmm he's a big producer he did not

3407
02:44:28,880 --> 02:44:26,939
was not allowed to do it and I said why

3408
02:44:30,290 --> 02:44:28,890
Peter what's going on because I don't

3409
02:44:33,200 --> 02:44:30,300
know he does it scared the crap out of

3410
02:44:36,380 --> 02:44:33,210
me but I was told not to do it very

3411
02:44:38,220 --> 02:44:36,390
interesting well what do you do and

3412
02:44:42,020 --> 02:44:38,230
especially after listening

3413
02:44:44,881 --> 02:44:42,030
to the show tonight with J&J when you

3414
02:44:47,881 --> 02:44:44,891
you know you living in Hollywood for so

3415
02:44:50,730 --> 02:44:47,891
long when you go and see movies today do

3416
02:44:53,671 --> 02:44:50,740
you see the symbolism do you see the

3417
02:44:57,841 --> 02:44:53,681
prophecy that are embedded in these

3418
02:44:59,761 --> 02:44:57,851
films it's funny I never moved down to

3419
02:45:03,690 --> 02:44:59,771
Hollywood I've always lived out towards

3420
02:45:05,850 --> 02:45:03,700
like Canoga and Woodland Hills but when

3421
02:45:08,310 --> 02:45:05,860
I did go down to Hollywood and I saw it

3422
02:45:10,650 --> 02:45:08,320
I was terrified of all but I did see the

3423
02:45:12,661 --> 02:45:10,660
symbolisms and it would scare the

3424
02:45:16,770 --> 02:45:12,671
bejesus out of me and I couldn't

3425
02:45:18,480 --> 02:45:16,780
understand why you we were talking about

3426
02:45:20,041 --> 02:45:18,490
the Matrix movie there was a lot of

3427
02:45:22,230 --> 02:45:20,051
stuff in the Matrix movie it's coming

3428
02:45:24,331 --> 02:45:22,240
alive today that I I didn't understand

3429
02:45:26,581 --> 02:45:24,341
but you're like somebody had to give

3430
02:45:27,121 --> 02:45:26,591
them some information to make that

3431
02:45:29,911 --> 02:45:27,131
happen

3432
02:45:31,501 --> 02:45:29,921
there's just no way around it right yeah

3433
02:45:33,360 --> 02:45:31,511
yeah I totally agree

3434
02:45:37,171 --> 02:45:33,370
and I see it so much and now when you go

3435
02:45:40,831 --> 02:45:37,181
back and you you look at the this the

3436
02:45:44,810 --> 02:45:40,841
September 11th references in Back to the

3437
02:45:48,990 --> 02:45:44,820
Future of all things or the Simpsons or

3438
02:45:56,461 --> 02:45:49,000
Terminator 2 or the matrix or or I can

3439
02:45:58,201 --> 02:45:56,471
go on and on do you remember the what

3440
02:46:01,711 --> 02:45:58,211
was it called Johnny Bravo do you

3441
02:46:05,190 --> 02:46:01,721
remember that cartoon sure I do okay in

3442
02:46:08,461 --> 02:46:05,200
Johnny Bravo there's a shot and Johnny

3443
02:46:10,020 --> 02:46:08,471
Bravo of a poster of a movie and it says

3444
02:46:12,930 --> 02:46:10,030
coming soon in the background on the

3445
02:46:15,600 --> 02:46:12,940
scene and it's the Twin Towers you know

3446
02:46:19,680 --> 02:46:15,610
and it's just like you know how how did

3447
02:46:25,020 --> 02:46:19,690
they you know in in 1997 the Simpsons

3448
02:46:27,390 --> 02:46:25,030
had this famous scene where Bart Simpson

3449
02:46:30,480 --> 02:46:27,400
is looking at again this poster that

3450
02:46:35,100 --> 02:46:30,490
says New York 911 in it with the twin

3451
02:46:37,801 --> 02:46:35,110
towers in the background I need is 1997

3452
02:46:40,470 --> 02:46:37,811
it just makes you wonder that's all all

3453
02:46:44,640 --> 02:46:40,480
wonder is enough looking you got it look

3454
02:46:47,070 --> 02:46:44,650
I I have to just basically say look if

3455
02:46:49,171 --> 02:46:47,080
this is going on and it's like slow

3456
02:46:51,410 --> 02:46:49,181
disclosure yeah I got to ask you

3457
02:46:54,020 --> 02:46:51,420
something because I honestly

3458
02:46:56,180 --> 02:46:54,030
you've always always stated that you do

3459
02:46:57,440 --> 02:46:56,190
not need disclose it because of the the

3460
02:47:00,530 --> 02:46:57,450
things that you have seen and witnessed

3461
02:47:02,090 --> 02:47:00,540
is in your life right right but for some

3462
02:47:05,930 --> 02:47:02,100
of this it's a little bit different

3463
02:47:08,990 --> 02:47:05,940
if the powers to be do not disclose the

3464
02:47:11,830 --> 02:47:09,000
info that we desire why can't we go

3465
02:47:15,860 --> 02:47:11,840
directly around the source ourselves and

3466
02:47:17,750 --> 02:47:15,870
furthermore what why what kind of powers

3467
02:47:20,090 --> 02:47:17,760
stopping aliens from interacting whether

3468
02:47:23,090 --> 02:47:20,100
it's openly most control areas incision

3469
02:47:24,950 --> 02:47:23,100
from hiding from us in these movies in

3470
02:47:26,540 --> 02:47:24,960
this information if they're slowly

3471
02:47:28,670 --> 02:47:26,550
releases why don't they just go around

3472
02:47:31,040 --> 02:47:28,680
these powers to be and let it have it

3473
02:47:34,550 --> 02:47:31,050
well we're trying and you're absolutely

3474
02:47:37,460 --> 02:47:34,560
right and certainly with with shows like

3475
02:47:39,620 --> 02:47:37,470
this and the power of the Internet and

3476
02:47:42,950 --> 02:47:39,630
us being able to gather as a group and

3477
02:47:45,430 --> 02:47:42,960
discuss this that we are doing just that

3478
02:47:48,980 --> 02:47:45,440
because I'm not nobody controls me

3479
02:47:52,790 --> 02:47:48,990
nobody yeah nobody does and nobody ever

3480
02:47:55,550 --> 02:47:52,800
will so yeah I agree with you on that

3481
02:47:56,870 --> 02:47:55,560
oh I before I let you go Scott Dream

3482
02:47:58,700 --> 02:47:56,880
Theater right

3483
02:48:03,020 --> 02:47:58,710
we love that band it's a great band

3484
02:48:07,460 --> 02:48:03,030
right great now their album that was

3485
02:48:10,460 --> 02:48:07,470
released on September 11th 2001 it was

3486
02:48:15,170 --> 02:48:10,470
released that day is called live scenes

3487
02:48:18,350 --> 02:48:15,180
from New York now go and look at go and

3488
02:48:20,120 --> 02:48:18,360
look at the cover of that album it's got

3489
02:48:22,880 --> 02:48:20,130
the Twin Towers and the Statue of

3490
02:48:25,310 --> 02:48:22,890
Liberty up in flames released on

3491
02:48:28,400 --> 02:48:25,320
September 11 2001 now I'm not saying

3492
02:48:32,030 --> 02:48:28,410
Dream Theater was is in on this right

3493
02:48:34,760 --> 02:48:32,040
Wow alright I'm not going there but but

3494
02:48:37,969 --> 02:48:34,770
the facts are the facts the album and

3495
02:48:40,850 --> 02:48:37,979
the album cover is show exactly what and

3496
02:48:42,500 --> 02:48:40,860
they were released on September 11 2001

3497
02:48:45,440 --> 02:48:42,510
and it's called live scenes from New

3498
02:48:47,810 --> 02:48:45,450
York go look at that album cover it's

3499
02:48:49,580 --> 02:48:47,820
trippy going on Jimmy something going on

3500
02:48:52,190 --> 02:48:49,590
Jimmy that's all I got to say it could

3501
02:48:54,980 --> 02:48:52,200
be totally subliminal and out of the

3502
02:48:57,890 --> 02:48:54,990
power and control of anybody but

3503
02:49:01,370 --> 02:48:57,900
nonetheless it is there so thank you so

3504
02:49:04,700 --> 02:49:01,380
much Scott have a great night Jimmy take

3505
02:49:07,520 --> 02:49:04,710
care absolutely great phone call and

3506
02:49:09,260 --> 02:49:07,530
for everybody out there go look I want

3507
02:49:11,950 --> 02:49:09,270
to see it post it up in here in Twitter

3508
02:49:13,219 --> 02:49:11,960
I want comments from everybody Dream

3509
02:49:20,360 --> 02:49:13,229
Theater

3510
02:49:23,330 --> 02:49:20,370
from New York just you tell me what

3511
02:49:25,310 --> 02:49:23,340
we're looking at here live scenes from

3512
02:49:26,960 --> 02:49:25,320
New York somebody posts that album cover

3513
02:49:28,969 --> 02:49:26,970
for everybody else to see I'm a little

3514
02:49:30,740 --> 02:49:28,979
bit too busy we got to wrap up the show

3515
02:49:32,469 --> 02:49:30,750
here let's go back to the phones hi

3516
02:49:35,120 --> 02:49:32,479
you're live on peda block who's going

3517
02:49:36,590 --> 02:49:35,130
hey Jimmy it's Eric do you have a few

3518
02:49:37,850 --> 02:49:36,600
minutes to give us a mummy update

3519
02:49:39,920 --> 02:49:37,860
because I didn't really hear anything

3520
02:49:42,800 --> 02:49:39,930
about that tonight or was it just Linda

3521
02:49:44,780 --> 02:49:42,810
oh the mummy update I yeah well we

3522
02:49:48,430 --> 02:49:44,790
wanted to do a different show tonight I

3523
02:49:51,140 --> 02:49:48,440
had Jay on a coast-to-coast on on

3524
02:49:53,810 --> 02:49:51,150
Saturday night the mummy update is this

3525
02:49:59,570 --> 02:49:53,820
they've got three more additional

3526
02:50:02,360 --> 02:49:59,580
mummies that have been undone I should

3527
02:50:05,570 --> 02:50:02,370
say from the same tomb that are like

3528
02:50:08,690 --> 02:50:05,580
Maria three fingers three toes not like

3529
02:50:13,910 --> 02:50:08,700
the reptilians smaller mummies that were

3530
02:50:17,510 --> 02:50:13,920
also found in the same tomb so that

3531
02:50:19,520 --> 02:50:17,520
analysis is getting ready to get done on

3532
02:50:22,460 --> 02:50:19,530
the three new mommies so now I think we

3533
02:50:24,110 --> 02:50:22,470
have a total of we have Maria that we

3534
02:50:26,270 --> 02:50:24,120
have the baby we have the two we have

3535
02:50:28,040 --> 02:50:26,280
three editions I think we're up to seven

3536
02:50:32,090 --> 02:50:28,050
or eight mummies

3537
02:50:36,320 --> 02:50:32,100
now the preliminary DNA analysis that

3538
02:50:42,590 --> 02:50:36,330
has come back on Maria is showing that

3539
02:50:45,440 --> 02:50:42,600
she is more human than chimpanzee okay

3540
02:50:48,560 --> 02:50:45,450
and I guess that is part of what they

3541
02:50:50,990 --> 02:50:48,570
are comparing the DNA to now they're not

3542
02:50:55,100 --> 02:50:51,000
calling her human they're saying that

3543
02:50:57,800 --> 02:50:55,110
she is more human than chimpanzee all of

3544
02:51:00,469 --> 02:50:57,810
the DNA analysis that has come back all

3545
02:51:02,960 --> 02:51:00,479
preliminary at this point is showing

3546
02:51:04,969 --> 02:51:02,970
that all of the tissue samples from the

3547
02:51:07,070 --> 02:51:04,979
bones and the skin of the fingers match

3548
02:51:08,840 --> 02:51:07,080
the bone in the skin of the arms match

3549
02:51:11,180 --> 02:51:08,850
the bone and skin of the butt of the

3550
02:51:13,580 --> 02:51:11,190
legs of the toes of the feet that

3551
02:51:17,859 --> 02:51:13,590
nothing is mismatched in other words

3552
02:51:19,989 --> 02:51:17,869
there isn't like a sea otter you know so

3553
02:51:22,329 --> 02:51:19,999
onto the body right there's nothing like

3554
02:51:27,399 --> 02:51:22,339
that all of the DNA right now is

3555
02:51:29,979 --> 02:51:27,409
matching that is very very positive and

3556
02:51:32,319 --> 02:51:29,989
encouraging so we're waiting for the

3557
02:51:34,329 --> 02:51:32,329
real DNA analysis to come back that you

3558
02:51:35,829 --> 02:51:34,339
know they have to go back and and put

3559
02:51:38,169 --> 02:51:35,839
all of this DNA together to get

3560
02:51:41,260 --> 02:51:38,179
something accurate but the preliminary

3561
02:51:42,399 --> 02:51:41,270
results coming back or stating that so

3562
02:51:44,499 --> 02:51:42,409
there you go

3563
02:51:47,529 --> 02:51:44,509
so that is the update on the nazca

3564
02:51:51,099 --> 02:51:47,539
mummies i don't know about the next show

3565
02:51:52,599 --> 02:51:51,109
the next piece in the series i don't

3566
02:51:56,919 --> 02:51:52,609
know when that is coming out but i think

3567
02:51:58,989 --> 02:51:56,929
jay said oh man I think it's it's coming

3568
02:52:02,619 --> 02:51:58,999
out this week the next part of the

3569
02:52:05,169 --> 02:52:02,629
series but I don't know more quick

3570
02:52:07,149 --> 02:52:05,179
question short here's here's what's in

3571
02:52:09,579 --> 02:52:07,159
my mind I'm guessing maybe you probably

3572
02:52:11,139 --> 02:52:09,589
asked this question who is watching

3573
02:52:13,479 --> 02:52:11,149
these mummies how closely are they

3574
02:52:15,729 --> 02:52:13,489
guarded protecting us then words they

3575
02:52:17,800 --> 02:52:15,739
are gone guys come in steal them right

3576
02:52:21,309 --> 02:52:17,810
they are guarded and protected and

3577
02:52:23,079 --> 02:52:21,319
hidden Jay Walker probably knows now I

3578
02:52:25,800 --> 02:52:23,089
know I asked him that question I asked

3579
02:52:28,239 --> 02:52:25,810
him that on Saturday night

3580
02:52:30,029 --> 02:52:28,249
yep so I well thanks for taking my call

3581
02:52:32,559 --> 02:52:30,039
- no you just got a few minutes I

3582
02:52:34,599 --> 02:52:32,569
appreciate it I appreciate it - thank

3583
02:52:38,069 --> 02:52:34,609
you so much Eric great phone call yeah

3584
02:52:39,550 --> 02:52:38,079
that was the update that Jay gave on

3585
02:52:40,989 --> 02:52:39,560
Saturday night

3586
02:52:43,989 --> 02:52:40,999
now really quick I've only got a couple

3587
02:52:47,529 --> 02:52:43,999
of minutes left here North Korea has

3588
02:52:48,219 --> 02:52:47,539
launched a missile right before the show

3589
02:52:52,119 --> 02:52:48,229
tonight

3590
02:52:55,389 --> 02:52:52,129
that flew over Japan the Pentagon has

3591
02:52:57,279 --> 02:52:55,399
now confirmed the missile launched by

3592
02:52:59,739 --> 02:52:57,289
North Korea flew over Japan and we are

3593
02:53:02,079 --> 02:52:59,749
still in the process of assessing this

3594
02:53:06,399 --> 02:53:02,089
launch and that is according to Pentagon

3595
02:53:08,590 --> 02:53:06,409
spokesman Army Colonel Rob Manning South

3596
02:53:10,779 --> 02:53:08,600
Korea's Joint Chiefs issued a statement

3597
02:53:13,149 --> 02:53:10,789
right before the show tonight that North

3598
02:53:16,419 --> 02:53:13,159
Korea fired an unidentified projectile

3599
02:53:18,729 --> 02:53:16,429
from an area near Sunan pyungyang toward

3600
02:53:20,529 --> 02:53:18,739
the sea east of the Korean Peninsula

3601
02:53:24,459 --> 02:53:20,539
Japan's chief cabinet secretary

3602
02:53:27,340 --> 02:53:24,469
Yoshihide Suga said that the missile

3603
02:53:30,369 --> 02:53:27,350
passed over a remote cape of Ho Chi you

3604
02:53:31,670 --> 02:53:30,379
know and that it is estimated to have

3605
02:53:35,360 --> 02:53:31,680
fallen into

3606
02:53:37,429 --> 02:53:35,370
the Pacific Ocean now is this again

3607
02:53:40,130 --> 02:53:37,439
poking a stick in the eye of Donald

3608
02:53:41,960 --> 02:53:40,140
Trump is a Kim fatty fat trying to

3609
02:53:45,830 --> 02:53:41,970
provoke something we do know that the

3610
02:53:50,570 --> 02:53:45,840
military exercises are continuing off of

3611
02:53:53,360 --> 02:53:50,580
the Korean Peninsula between the United

3612
02:53:56,510 --> 02:53:53,370
States and South Korea and but to shoot

3613
02:53:58,820 --> 02:53:56,520
this type of missile over Japan when

3614
02:54:02,450 --> 02:53:58,830
Trump said that that would be crossing a

3615
02:54:08,410 --> 02:54:02,460
line I don't know so we will find out

3616
02:54:12,260 --> 02:54:08,420
more tomorrow now also a mysterious code

3617
02:54:14,599 --> 02:54:12,270
has appeared in some pirated streams of

3618
02:54:17,229 --> 02:54:14,609
Saturday's fight between Floyd

3619
02:54:20,090 --> 02:54:17,239
Mayweather jr. and Conor McGregor

3620
02:54:23,719 --> 02:54:20,100
sparking suspicions that someone was

3621
02:54:26,660 --> 02:54:23,729
trying to find out who was watching the

3622
02:54:28,729 --> 02:54:26,670
illegal streams now

3623
02:54:30,620 --> 02:54:28,739
Saturday's clash at the t-mobile Arena

3624
02:54:33,979 --> 02:54:30,630
in Las Vegas was touted potentially as

3625
02:54:36,320 --> 02:54:33,989
the most pirated event in history and

3626
02:54:38,510 --> 02:54:36,330
had already sparked legal action by

3627
02:54:40,990 --> 02:54:38,520
Showtime networks which distributed the

3628
02:54:43,790 --> 02:54:41,000
fight via Showtime pay-per-view

3629
02:54:46,460 --> 02:54:43,800
copyright and file sharing news site

3630
02:54:49,729 --> 02:54:46,470
TorrentFreak said it had received

3631
02:54:51,590 --> 02:54:49,739
reports that an unusual watermark was

3632
02:54:54,530 --> 02:54:51,600
embedded into streams originally

3633
02:54:56,870 --> 02:54:54,540
broadcast by Sky Sports box office which

3634
02:54:59,660 --> 02:54:56,880
was licensed to show the fight in the

3635
02:55:02,300 --> 02:54:59,670
United Kingdom two other unnamed sources

3636
02:55:05,330 --> 02:55:02,310
watching pirated streams also told

3637
02:55:08,179 --> 02:55:05,340
TorrentFreak that the mysterious number

3638
02:55:12,889 --> 02:55:08,189
and letter based codes had briefly

3639
02:55:16,250 --> 02:55:12,899
appeared on their screens as well very

3640
02:55:19,240 --> 02:55:16,260
very interesting all right now check

3641
02:55:23,450 --> 02:55:19,250
this out I'm gonna leave you with this

3642
02:55:27,019 --> 02:55:23,460
nasa's database and email system has

3643
02:55:29,510 --> 02:55:27,029
been hacked now i went to the website

3644
02:55:33,439 --> 02:55:29,520
today and i actually read this for

3645
02:55:38,510 --> 02:55:33,449
myself and this was the message dear

3646
02:55:41,780 --> 02:55:38,520
friends we are cyber leaks and from our

3647
02:55:45,290 --> 02:55:41,790
hard work to hack the nasa database it's

3648
02:55:51,769 --> 02:55:45,300
done we got access on NASA data

3649
02:55:53,630 --> 02:55:51,779
and NASA's email system now oh okay

3650
02:55:58,189 --> 02:55:53,640
sorry about that I just got a text in

3651
02:56:02,330 --> 02:55:58,199
and and I jumped it said today we will

3652
02:56:05,750 --> 02:56:02,340
release NASA emails from 2015 to 2017

3653
02:56:07,519 --> 02:56:05,760
you can download the NASA emails here

3654
02:56:10,219 --> 02:56:07,529
I'm not gonna read the link out on the

3655
02:56:13,069 --> 02:56:10,229
air to open all of these emails you need

3656
02:56:17,510 --> 02:56:13,079
to extract it onto your desktop and open

3657
02:56:19,939 --> 02:56:17,520
it with notepad then they give a

3658
02:56:23,120 --> 02:56:19,949
download for notepad which comes free

3659
02:56:27,710 --> 02:56:23,130
with Windows also we found US government

3660
02:56:30,490 --> 02:56:27,720
emails cover stating with NASA about

3661
02:56:34,639 --> 02:56:30,500
area 51

3662
02:56:36,649 --> 02:56:34,649
now know it says open all emails with

3663
02:56:40,790 --> 02:56:36,659
notepad plus plus and not with simple

3664
02:56:42,620 --> 02:56:40,800
notepad there you go all right now I'm

3665
02:56:48,229 --> 02:56:42,630
gonna leave it upon you to go and find

3666
02:56:51,649 --> 02:56:48,239
cyber leaks and their NASA emails but I

3667
02:56:54,139 --> 02:56:51,659
am going to go and review all of this

3668
02:56:56,689 --> 02:56:54,149
and by tomorrow's show I'll see if I

3669
02:57:00,349 --> 02:56:56,699
have something tasty to release about

3670
02:57:03,529 --> 02:57:00,359
area 51 and NASA you know what if they

3671
02:57:05,870 --> 02:57:03,539
do the leak then I'll do the read this

3672
02:57:09,050 --> 02:57:05,880
has fade to black another show is in

3673
02:57:11,290 --> 02:57:09,060
that can Thank You Jay Dyer and Jay

3674
02:57:14,090 --> 02:57:11,300
whitener their new show is over at Gaia

3675
02:57:16,309 --> 02:57:14,100
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3676
02:57:18,529 --> 02:57:16,319
executive producers Rita Kumari on shows

3677
02:57:21,349 --> 02:57:18,539
produced by Hill Jay Paul Marty Cove RLJ

3678
02:57:23,840 --> 02:57:21,359
3 Renee Jonas Thank You Dennis thank you

3679
02:57:27,109 --> 02:57:23,850
Bob announcers our Steve harder Jean

3680
02:57:30,229 --> 02:57:27,119
Patou mrdiko barf ad by Dale webmaster

3681
02:57:33,740 --> 02:57:30,239
drew the geek music doug aldrich intro

3682
02:57:40,000 --> 02:57:33,750
space boys space boy music calm fade to

3683
02:57:43,580 --> 02:57:40,010
black is produced by kjsurya the planet

3684
02:57:45,139 --> 02:57:43,590
as broadcast zona copyright of 2017 by

3685
02:57:46,279 --> 02:57:45,149
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3686
02:57:48,410 --> 02:57:46,289
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3687
02:57:50,000 --> 02:57:48,420
it cannot be rebroadcast downloaded

3688
02:57:52,189 --> 02:57:50,010
copied or used anywhere in the known

3689
02:57:54,461 --> 02:57:52,199
universe without written permission from

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fade to black or the game chain

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work i'm your host jimmy church tomorrow

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night right here clifford mahooty right

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here on fade to black

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but until then follow me on twitter at J

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Church radio I want everybody to be safe